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One person's art is another person's vandalism. Even though this actually complemented the existing work in a respectful (opinion) way. But
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I was ten years old and was disqualified from a regional spelling bee while spelling "sonnet". It wasn't that long ago actually. Now that this is mentioned, I'd like to point out that even my computer doesn't know how to spell "stylidia". Perhaps a meaning could be included in the article as a
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They do give you a list. Or they did back when I was in 4th or 5th grade, which was well into the last millennium (actually century, but the first iteration seemed more satisfying). I am sure that appearing at a national level is a high pressure event, like being a contestant on
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Not being a fan of weedy first paragraphs, I consigned the "stylidia" reference to a footnote. But I'm having trouble verifying the word, which doesn't come up in online searches. Is it spelled right, this term for a peripheral column in a monument? Where did you find it? —
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I'm working with the artists to make sure that the copyright release on the existing photo is solid and that the OTRS release gets completed. No other pictures of the bust are going to be possible, unless the artists decide to produce another one. I'm not sure what
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Could be those, too. It's trying to fit this into definitions where it does not neatly fit. I for one think that it is better to over-include then under-include. I also hope that the statue is not destroyed, as that itself would be
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