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The edits I made referred only to Qing dynasty rule over Xinjiang, regarding the fact that the Qing conquered Dzungaria from the Zunghar Khanate, and opened up Dzungharia to both Uyghur, Han, Manchu, Xibe, and Hui migration. Uyghurs make up the majority of their homeland in the Tarim.
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