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Shinjuku article on the Japanese Wiki. I think it's confusing in some places, and I don't think it's helpful except for rainfans. So, lets concentrate on your dispute, Sannomiya Station. JR was there first, then Hankyu and Hanshin came along. Hankyu built their station adjacent to JR, but Hanshin is across the street and underground. Each station is physically near the others, however, they are different. I think that each company with it's own lines and own stations, each one deserves an article, provided that there is enough information to create it. I think there is at least enough information about JR Sannomiya to split it from the others. I think it's easier for non-railfans read and understand because they are separate and less confusing.
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