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Should venous thrombosis be a definition and a disambiguation to deep vein thrombosis, superficial vein thrombosis, and venous thromboembolism? Should superficial thrombophlebitis redirect to superficial vein thrombosis? Does thrombophlebitis deserve its own article? Probably more than phlebothrombosis does

Is the National Acupuncture Detoxification Association notable?

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Vandalism on medically-related featured articles
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Vandalism on medically-related good articles 111 min, 8 Mar 2012, Hepatitis B; Bugs: , &; Promotion; Commentary on neutrality, A good contribution: Talk:Malaria/GA2; FA advice; From a reader, a thank you; ; assignment

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FL 2 3 8 13
FM 74 74
GA 30 47 110 180 367
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C 5 413 3,167 7,643 147 11,375
Start 136 4,596 17,804 354 22,890
Stub 1,614 9,993 477 12,084
List 22 267 560 16 865
Category 10,631 10,631
Disambig 172 172
File 478 478
Portal 540 540
Project 168 168
Redirect 433 801 5,907 7,141
Template 1,709 1,709
NA 4 4
Draft 7 280 287
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Unassessed 1 74 75
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FA 3 5 8
GA 24 15 39
B 2 150 2 154
C 1 73 1 2 2 79
Start 7 1 8
Stub 1 1
Category 4 4
Project 1 2 3
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WikiWork factors (?) ω = 902 Ω = 3.12

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Harold J. Dunlap (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cant see why he is notable. Note tag has been removed several times. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NACADEMIC. scope_creep 09:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Medicine, New York, and Ohio. Spiderone 10:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete: Appears to be a resume or CV, likely a memorial page. I don't see notability, he was involved in his community and professional field, but nothing we'd consider notable. Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Pu Zhongjie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined prod. Prod was removed with a source that is a 1 line mention of Pu. Created by a single purpose editor. Google news has a mere 2 hits. Would reconsider if significant coverage can be found in Chinese. LibStar (talk) 02:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Mehdi_Hasan_Khan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm the subject in the article. I regard myself as a non-notable and private person. There are millions of people who create open-source software and that shouldn't be the bar for having a biography on Knowledge. Furthermore, this page contains personal information on me, and my family members without any citation/source and violates their privacy as well. Mehdihasankhan (talk) 07:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Marko Stout (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Previously deleted and salted. This new creation must not escape review. Most of the sources are written in a clearly promotional tone and hence are probably not independent of the subject. As one egregious example, the first and last sources are clearly variations of the same press release - starting with In the dynamic arena of contemporary art, few names resonate as profoundly as Marko Stout vs. In the dynamic world of contemporary art, few names shine as brightly as Marko Stout‘s.* Pppery * it has begun... 02:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete again please. 4th nomination! fails WP:ARTIST. He not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Octopod External Fixator (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a notable product by itself, merely an example of what is used for Ilizarov apparatus, and could just be mentioned there rather than having an article that reads like an advertisement. ZimZalaBim 20:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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  • Merge into Ilizarov apparatus Even though the article could potentially be beefed up, the topic makes no sense to be outside of its parent topic, where the use is. WP:N states This is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article. And WP:MERGE states Reasons for merging ... Context: If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it.— rsjaffe 🗣️ 21:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Dhiraj Sonawane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Moved to mainspace, perhaps before it is ready. I certainly do not see any pass of WP:NPROF here. The best sources in the article look like human interest coverage of surgeries by the subject, and I think they fall a bit short of WP:BASIC. My search did not find much more. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 05:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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  • Speedy keep. This is a malformed AfD Apparently the page is being targeted for deletion because the page had so many bugs it was straight up targeted for AFD instead of being cleaned and fixed a lot. should consider why the page is being targeted for deletion. which the article subject easily meets, is WP:GNG India Today has significant coverage in reliable sources such as the India Today newspaper also Passes WP:NGEO I don't believe the nominator checked all sources. However, there does appear to be in-depth coverage in sources which I assess as probably reliable, covering multiple events / aspects of this WP:BLP.Monophile 💬 11:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete The article makes no claim to notability - he runs a department at a hospital, no named chair professorship, nothing showing he's a big player within his discipline. I have reviewed all the citations and see nothing but routine mentions and quotes, other than what looks like a complex spine surgery case (but WP:BLP1E suggests this would need to have lasting impact). GScholar shows some papers with low citation counts (there's a DP Sonawane who has some high-citation counts, but U.S. based and unlikely to be this gentleman). @Monophile you should spend some time familiarizing yourself with the various notability policies and guidelines especially those for living persons and professors. Had you done this you'd probably agree the deletion rationale is clear. Continuing to create these articles may be a waste of time, both yours and other editors', if the article subjects are unable to meet notability rules. Oblivy (talk) 07:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Now it can be see that both the users, @Oblivy, @Russ Woodroofe are being targeted this page will be created from my account. It can be clearly seen in the previous AFD how they like to target and vote for delete pages.here It is with great regret that I have to say There are Millions of editors and users on Knowledge, they should get a chance to review the page and see how it is done. The page is targeted without checking the references without checking the page itself These users should be stopped from doing this continuously, this is the urine of Vandalism is being done continuously on Knowledge etc. of their account edits here, here are checked, they are just constantly targeting this pages. Continuously targeting a page should not be acceptable on Knowledge. It is a violation of Knowledge's guidelines. Monophile 💬 01:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Every editor has the right to give his opinion on AFD lmatters, the manner in which two User @Oblivy, @Russ Woodroofe target some Pages is tantamount to disrupting the Knowledge." Monophile 💬 02:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete. Page reads as resume and WP:PROMO page. The subject has not made any significant achievement notable, nationally or internationally, to warrant a page on him. Fails WP:NPROF. RangersRus (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment @Monophile: the image used in the article is a posed photo of Sonawane, which you uploaded to Commons at File:Dhiraj Sonawane.jpg as your own work. What's your connection with Mr. Sonawane please? Wikishovel (talk) 12:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
    Alternate explanation, common for this sort of situation, is that it was stolen from social-media or a similar site. But we do need an immediate and clear explanation from the uploader on commons (need to keep license concerns on that site) or it will be promptly deleted. DMacks (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete. None of the reliable sources here provide any in-depth information about Sonawane as a person, they are all either about his surgeries or his comments as an expert on medical topics. Had those surgeries been made on high-profile individuals (like federal politicians or other important figures), or even received more in-depth coverage by high-quality reliable sources, I would probably have leaned more to keeping, but the current sources are pretty run-off-the-mill. Badbluebus (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Chughtai Lab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP - collaborations, partnerships coverage is not useful per WP:CORPTRIV. Gheus (talk) 10:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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  • Keep Very notable and prominent lab in Pakistan. Also it already has 3 existing references from major newspapers of Pakistan. AfD forum is not for clean up. Frankly, getting tired of seeing this 'dismissive attitude' towards many legitimate references as 'promotional'...Ngrewal1 (talk) 18:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Jason Emer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page

2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject

3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)

4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject

All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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C. K. Durga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotion with "sources" like X or Facebook; I doubt the page meets GNG and BIO requirements. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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UCI Health – Los Alamitos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that could be found with a further in-depth search. Conyo14 (talk) 04:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator did not do a Google Search. Catfurball (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
    Did a WP:BEFORE. Aside from press releases, I couldn't find anything. However, I don't doubt the hospital had other names. Thus, if sigcov is proven, then it can remain. However, the sources there right now are better for a merge between the three articles.
    Also, WP:AGF. Conyo14 (talk) 18:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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UCI Health – Lakewood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that I wouldn't want to mix with the others. Conyo14 (talk) 04:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator did not do a Google Search. Catfurball (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete For the Lakewood hospital in particular, there doesn't seem to be extensive non-trivial coverage. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of companies-related deletion discussions. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment - As a private hospital, this needs to meet WP:NCORP per the nom. "Did not do a Google search" will not cut it here. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources (per WP:SIRS) that meet WP:CORPDEPTH. There are some articles about the hospital, but what we don't have is anything that significantly discusses the hospital itself, and allows an article to be written. There is some stuff about Lakewood joining UCI that I see, but at this stage I haven't seen anything that meets CORPDEPTH. Leaning delete but leaving this as a comment for now, in the hope something can be found. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment hospitals are not part of Knowledge:WikiProject Companies, they are not recognized by that WikiProject. They are only recognized by Knowledge:WikiProject Hospitals. Catfurball (talk) 20:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
    Yes, but a delsort is not a Wikiproject. Delsorts are there to flag a case so that editors with an interest will be aware of the AfD and can come to comment. This hospital is a private business venture and very much falls within NCORP guidelines. If editors are not interested in hospitals, they'll ignore it. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
UCI Health – Fountain Valley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:GNG. The sources speak of the majority of hospitals within the network but give no significant coverage of the Fountain Valley location Conyo14 (talk) 04:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator should have did a Google Search before nominating. Catfurball (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Chimele Usuwa Abengowe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Firstly, the content on ref 1 which is a magazine can't be verified by any reliable source same as ref 5. Ref 2 and ref 5 are also the same link on the article current state. The only source here was this which just only talk about his death. Ref 7 which is a YouTube video showcasing a church service cant be use as a source neither any YouTube link can be use as a source. Ref 3 which just only mentioned his name as part of the medical list and not like he was talked about. Subject just totally fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 01:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

welcome again for marking another article of mine for deletion. After the last episode, you should have recused yourself from my articles and leave other editors to go through and arrive at their own conclusions. Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete: I can't verify certain details about this person like the date of birth and death. My search for the various information yielded "result not found" and I was wondering about the origin of other information like the award, OFR. After all these, I can say that the article doesn't meet WP:NPROF and WP:SIGCOV. Also, Gabriel's source analysis is thorough and well-documented. Safari Scribe 15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep: Due to being a recipient of one of Nigeria's highest national awards (WP:ANYBIO The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor) National Honour of Member of the Order of the Niger (OON) by President Olusegun Obasanjo on the 16th November, 2000 - now sourced to Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC))
    The link you provided still doesn’t have his name on it that the president honors him with the title of OON. I opened the link used the control+F to find and paste his name still zero not found. Subject still fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 10:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Subject satisfies notability guidelines as have been severally outlined above. Cfaso2000 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
One source ain't enough to justify notability. Other editors needs to be aware ‘Cfaso2000’ was the article creator. Gabriel (……?) 11:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Seems to me he has distinguished service. Notable award too methinks.Unfortunate coverage isn’t wider. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
You should have just created an account to vote a keep. All this keep from newbies are now just suspicious. Gabriel (……?) 18:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Been here for 12 yrs. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep : Subject meet WP:Notable and there are enough references to back it up Tesleemah (talk) 08:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete: The sources provided are not enough to meet WP:GNG. VisionAfrica seems to be the most in-depth, but I could not verify its reliability - it's not listed on the RS Noticeboard. There's no WP:SIGCOV to justify an article at this time.DesiMoore (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • You don't just make claims, @Tesleemah. You may need to present the sources you're speaking of. Safari Scribe 15:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: SOURCE ANALYSIS:
    1. Vision Africa is an unreliable source per WP:NGRS.  Fail
    2. gazettes.africa is an archive of the government gazettes of African countries, hence, it's reliable and correctly defined the content.  Pass
    3. I will conder BLERF as reliable because it's been published by Nyaknno Osso, but it lacks indepth coverage and it's a listing of primary generated information. In other words, a database cannot be used as a source.  Fail
    4. It lists medical practitioners registered in Nigeria, but it wasn't independent of Jim, and doesn't show his career. It was only a list.  Fail
    5.Same as source 1
    6. same as source 3
    7. Without having doubts, and although Independent Newspaper (Nigeria) is reliable, the article reads like a paid publication. It's a coverage and statements by the organization who made a statue/thereabout for him. Fail
    8. YouTube is unreliable and the source (username that it was gotten from) of the video is very very unreliable  FailFinal analysis: being awarded an award may meet WP:ANYBIO. However, all these SNGs are ways to know that there may exist likely coverage about the person. Here, there is no coverage (significant) of this individual. Safari Scribe 15:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
    @SafariScribeThanks for your source analysis. I have concerns regarding No 7 analysis. Your statement "the organization who made a statue/thereabout for him" appears to attribute the statue to the organization mentioned in the article. This is not the case based on my reading of the article again. Nowhere in the Independent Newspaper(Nigeria) article was it mentioned that the organization created a statue for him, and I haven't found that in any other sources analysed above. The organization mentioned in this article immortalized him by naming their lecture/conference series after the subject. Regarding being a paid publication, I'm not sure about that. The subject was resting on his deathbed and an organization "probably sponsored" news articles about him, or another probability is "they attracted news attention" to his death. I really can't vouch for any organization regarding how news content emanated. But I would give the benefit of doubt, given that the subject was deceased, and being a prominent person, would attract some coverage. Whether the coverage is facilitated or not is uncertain. I don't think this source should be considered as having failed. Cfaso2000 (talk) 12:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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