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The result was merge‎ to George Washington University. Guerillero 14:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

George Washington University Graduate School of Education and Human Development (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG] Wozal (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article. Just an aside, the the Delete decision in that other AFD mentioned seems like it could be contested at Deletion Review. Liz 01:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

List of fictional Scots (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don’t see any benefit to having a list for this topic, especially the horribly arbitrary “Scots who were or maybe were real but have appeared in fiction” section. “Scottish people in fiction and legend” is likely a notable topic but lists are never good ways to discuss abstract things educationally. Dronebogus (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

An embedded list, one incorporated into an article on a topic, can include entries which are not sufficiently notable to deserve their own articles, and yet may yet be sufficiently notable to incorporate into the list. Furthermore, since the notability threshold for a mention is less than that for a whole article, you can easily add a mention to a list within an article, without having to make the judgment call on notability which you would need to make if you were to add a whole article—if someone else feels that it is notable enough, they can always linkify the mention and create an article anyway.
For now, this list is reasonable in length. If it gets too long in the future, it can be broken up into multiple lists (List of fictional Scots in books, List of fictional Scots in film, etc.)
--A. B. 03:13, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. But the deletion rationale boils down to WP:WEDONTNEEDIT which is not a strong argument for deleting an article. More connection to policy would help both sides be more convincing.
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Comment I was asked to cite more actual rules, so WP:MILL per Clarityfiend (there’s lots and lots of works set in Scotland for starters) WP:NOTDIR, and WP:TNT. Dronebogus (talk) 00:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep. We have many arrangements of information about aspects of cultural history, and this seems like a perfectly fine addition to that catalog. BD2412 T 01:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't think there's any question that this meets LISTN, in that fictional treatments of Scottish people are a widely discussed topic (here's a whole book). The lack of similar lists is largely the consequence of the excesses of deletionists of the past, e.g. the list of fictional New Zealanders was deleted despite what can only be described as a total lack of consensus. As to other authorities cited above, the grotesque elitism of the MILL essay has thankfully never become Knowledge (XXG) policy, the TNT essay would require an actual showing that the list has problems that are unfixable, and WP:NOTDIR contains no applicable provisions that I can identify. -- Visviva (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus among participants to Keep this article. There is room for improvment, to be sure, and I encourage interested editors to take the feedback in this discussion and work on the article. Liz 06:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

List of Asian superheroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Wildly indiscriminate. Asia is a HUGE place (the biggest continent on Earth, obviously) with countless unrelated cultures, and that’s not even getting into diaspora. There is no reason to lump every super from, or with ancestry from, Asia into a giant list. Dronebogus (talk) 09:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Delete. Largely unsourced but that problem might be solvable if the whole concept wasn't overbroad and borderline-incoherent in the first place. Best case scenario, this would generate intractable debates about who counts as Asian. Worst case scenario, which the article is close to, is that it lies unmaintained and filled with unverifiable cruft and original research. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable topic, needs heavy cleanup. Deletion is not cleanup, see WP:SURMOUNTABLE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep See below - Representation is a thing. When a form of media, genre, or say, a type of character is almost always one way for a long time, exceptions often get press coverage -- not just because they're unusual but because the people represented are often enthusiastic and want to share examples. Nominating a bunch of " in " articles as WP:INDISCRIMINATE is, well, indiscriminate. Obviously there will be sources to satisfy WP:NLIST for this topic (I can link some, but I suspect that's not even in question, really), and inclusion criteria seems pretty easy to set up. The rest is just cleanup. — Rhododendrites \\ 03:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    Really though? This article’s idea of “Asian” includes Saudi Arabia, Japan, and Indonesia, but not Russia. Where’s the sourcing for that being a notable grouping? Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 06:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    Russia’s physically in two continents but culturally “Russia” is mainly the European/Slavic part. Many ethnic minorities live in semi-autonomous subnational territories like the Republics of Russia. Dronebogus (talk) 11:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    This is why I described the scope of the article as borderline-incoherent. Is it based on geography or culture or ethnicity or what? Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 12:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    I’m not defending it. I nominated the thing. There’s a List of Russian superheroes but it’s total crap as well. Dronebogus (talk) 13:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep: Definitely a notable topic with cleanup needed. However, I'd say that the article can be split into the different factions of Asia (like East Asia, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc.), though if they already exist, then yay. Conyo14 (talk) 18:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete. I can find no indication that this passes WP:NLIST. Contrary to the assertion above, representation is only a "thing" if it were Western-produced comics that included Asian characters (oh sorry, just superheroes, not villains, or everyday working schlubs). Given Japan's vast production of comics, it's pretty run of the mill that most of them would be set in Japan and feature Japanese characters. And still, this smacks of WP:RGW. But for that matter, who decides what counts as Asian? as a superhero? The whole thing is an inextricable mess of WP:OR. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • NLIST is via the many articles which treat "Asian superheroes" as a group, even if it's a tricky grouping. The current list definitely needs to be pruned, since unlike some other similar lists it's unclear what kind of "superhero" it's talking about (why would a Mortal Kombat video game character be included, for example?). This one is indeed harder than some of the others nominated both because "Asian" is indeed broad but also because the others don't include one of the two giant comic-producing industries. While some of the other lists deal with a population that is indeed underrepresented in the world of comic book superheroes, Japan certainly is not, and that makes this list kind of impossible to set clear inclusion criteria for that doesn't simply include a big chunk of the manga industry in addition to other Asian superheroes. I'll admit when I first looked at this one I was thinking about the comic book world that's centered on Marvel/DC/others in North America and representation therein, which I think is also what a lot of the sources are talking about for better or worse, but that's obviously not what this is, so I'm striking my keep !vote accordingly. — Rhododendrites \\ 11:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Keep, as a reasonable arrangements of information about an aspects of human cultural history. BD2412 T 01:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep as meeting WP:LISTN per sources cited above. Has problems but does not appear unsalvageable. Might be worth considering rescoping/splitting to something like "List of Asian superheroes in non-Asian / North American media" or some such, per Rhododendrites' considerations above, although I lack the topical expertise to have a strong opinion on that. -- Visviva (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus here to Keep this article and, maybe more importantly, no consensus to Delete it. Liz 06:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

List of Latino superheroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Arbitrary America-centric list; Superheroes from Latin American publications are extremely likely to be Latino, making it a WP:MILL cross-category; otherwise the US is basically the only country I’m aware of that considers “Latino” a distinct ethnic group. Many of the examples aren’t even notable anyway. Dronebogus (talk) 09:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Ethnic groups, Lists, and Latin America. Spiderone 11:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep Again, notable topic in need of heavy cleanup. Deletion is, however, not cleanup, and is only for completely non-notable and unusable topics that are unfit for Knowledge (XXG). There is no rule that states that articles cannot be deliberately about a certain country's ethnic group. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
    Why is it notable? Dronebogus (talk) 01:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
    @Dronebogus: Here's an NPR article directly about the subject of Latino superheroes. Here's another from HuffPost. Here's yet another from NBC News. Here's another from NY Times. So yes, a full prose article on the topic of Latino superheroes is potentially possible, and a list is a shoo-in for notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep - Representation is a thing. When a form of media, genre, or say, a type of character is almost always one way for a long time, exceptions often get press coverage -- not just because they're unusual but because the people represented are often enthusiastic and want to share examples. Nominating a bunch of " in " articles as WP:INDISCRIMINATE is, well, indiscriminate. Obviously there will be sources to satisfy WP:NLIST for this topic (I can link some, but I suspect that's not even in question, really), and inclusion criteria seems pretty easy to set up. The rest is just cleanup. — Rhododendrites \\ 03:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    An IP responded to your boilerplate rationale at the AfD for List of Asian superheroes by pointing out that “representation is only a thing” if it deals with a America-slash-Eurocentric worldview. Latin American superheroes exist just like Asian (geographically speaking) superheroes and the vast majority of them are probably Latino. Your whole “non white superheroes are automatically notable because they’re rare” argument falls flat, because there’s a whole world of fiction out there not made by non-Latino-white dominated countries like America. Dronebogus (talk) 11:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
    Your whole “non white superheroes are automatically notable because they’re rare” argument - that isn't the argument. — Rhododendrites \\ 11:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
    Okay, “non white superheroes should have lists because they’re universally rare” Dronebogus (talk) 11:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep: per arguments above. Also, why would it not be "List of Latin superheroes"? Doesn't Latino mean male? Conyo14 (talk) 18:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    The modern gender neutral term is “Latinx” but I think “Hispanic” might be okay too (though I think it might be Spanish-ancestry specific, idk) Dronebogus (talk) 10:59, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete. Notability of a general topic does not indicate the need for a standalone list of every single item that's an example of that topic. There are fundamental, unfixable WP:OR issues about what counts as Latino -- ethic identity is already a thorny issue for real people, let alone fictional characters. Hell, one of the very few references in this giant mass of WP:OR calls the character "Hispanic", not "Latina". I'm really dumbfounded by the calls for keeping here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
    There are no original research issues - if a superhero is described by RS as "Latino", they are, regardless of what people may or may not claim. We go by the sources, not by people's opinions of what makes a Latino. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep Enough links to their own articles about them, so its a valid list article. It is a logical grouping for the category so valid for a list as well. Dream Focus 07:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there seems to be a useful discussion going on. Being "America-centric" is a reason for additional editorial work not grounds for deletion. But both the Keeps and Delete arguments are weak on policy rationales.
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  • Keep. Do we need a "policy rationale" to keep a useful arrangement of information about a notable aspect of human cultural history? BD2412 T 01:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Well, BD2412, a closer is supposed to weigh policy-based arguments higher than simply "I like it" votes. I mean, it's not mandatory of course, but the support of policy for your opinions is more convincing to other participating editors and to the discussion closer. For me, as a frequent closer, I am always thinking, "Can I defend this closure at Deletion Review?" because I've had to do that in the past. Having policy on your side can only add strength to your point-of-view. Liz 02:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
WP:NLIST, then. Clearly this is a topic of interest to sources. BD2412 T 03:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. Consensus is a Weak Keep but Keep it is. Liz 22:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Ghastly Ones (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Local and part-time band who have a claim to semi-fame in placing a song in a SpongeBob episode. That song placement is only discussed in esoteric cartoon discussion boards, while the band has no reliable coverage and is only visible at typical streaming and retail services, with occasional fan-written reviews. The article is currently dependent on Discogs.com entries and a dead streaming link, and I was unable to find anything better. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Comment - See also the deletion discussion for one of the members of the band: Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Garrett Immel. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:33, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Kudos for tracking down those obscure sources. I'm not the combative type of nominator because I don't have to look at the article ever again, so I will merely submit a counterpoint: Three of those newspaper articles are actually brief album reviews that have little to no biographical info on the band (which should be the point of the band article here), and mostly admit to noticing the album because it was on Rob Zombie's label. That may run afoul of WP:NOTINHERITED. The fourth newspaper (Orange County) only mentions this band briefly in a general article about their genre. Meanwhile, I submit that the SpongeBob placement runs afoul of WP:ONEVENT. With this additional info, the band could be deemed just barely by the thinnest possible shave not non-notable, which could be stretched into "notable", but that's not particularly inspiring. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:30, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Seems entirely combative. Re oneevent, 1, we don't have an individual here, 2, you can't say because the spongebob placement is one event we'll ignore everything else, doesn't work like that, we don't say because "Bruce Springsteen has taken a nasty fall on stage" is oneevent we'll delete the whole article on him. Re only being album reviews, You can't really seperate coverage of the bands work from coverage of the band. Write an article about what the band has done. Re the Rob Zombie connection, yes the got noticed in part because of their record label (and that's why we have criteria like WP:BAND#5) but it is still coverage of them and their work. re notinherited, there has been no argument of the type they worked with Rob Zombie so they are notable, your dismissal is closer to a notinherited argument than anything else duffbeerforme (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
That's why I said "may" or "merely" multiple times in my comment, and conceded that I don't have to look at the article ever again. Your statement "Seems entirely combative" is unintentionally ironic. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Weak keep Weakest of !keeps. The newspapers cited above seem ok, not substantial but they look good enough. Oaktree b (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. In addition to the sources identified by Barnards.tar.gz, I'd note that there is some substantial coverage in industry periodicals in the context of the band's role in Rob Zombie's decision to set up Zombie-A-Go-Go Records, e.g. CMJ New Music Monthly and Billboard. (The CMJ article specifically credits Zombie's experience watching the band with his decision to set up the label.) So that's two mildly significant events that have occasioned independent coverage in reliable sources that yields a decent amount of content for an article (which, to be clear, is just a more straightforward way of saying that this appears to meet WP:GNG.) I don't feel like losing this article would be a terrible loss for the project but it seems like there's enough to work with here that deletion is not justified. I don't believe the WP:NOTINHERITED essay has much bearing here -- it seems directed to an argument like "there's lots of sigcov of Rob Zombie, therefore this band that he interacted with is also notable", which isn't what's going on here. -- Visviva (talk) 17:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus‎. Seraphimblade 22:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

List of female supervillains (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Far too many examples to bother listing; WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:MILL cross-category Dronebogus (talk) 09:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

  • As it has been pointed out my argument is flawed here, I will be changing it to the fact that this article does not offer proof the topic has "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" per WP:LISTN. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. This is way too broad for Knowledge (XXG). It can go into a blog or even a database considering how many female supervillains there are. Conyo14 (talk) 23:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
    Hmm, if only there was a database on Wikimedia… Dronebogus (talk) 06:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep Wow, a 5th nomination. While we can surely debate if we want this list on Knowledge (XXG) or not, I have not seen any policy-based arguments backing up the delete-opinions. Length, specifically, is not a reason for deletion. If we limit the list to notable characters, as suggested by LaundryPizza03 - which needs a bit of trimming, but that's a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem - none of the points of WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies: Then it is not a collection of indiscriminate, uncommented information, but rather a cross-reference of information which has already been deemed notable and encyclopedic enough to include on Knowledge (XXG), making this a navigational list in accordance with WP:LISTPURP-NAV. There is at least a bit of additional information which the category does not provide. Ideally, this could be somewhat expanded and made sortable, but it is already something.
As the last deletion discussion is not very long past, courtesy pinging the other participants who might still be interested: @Andrew Davidson, Dream Focus, Jclemens, Philoserf, Desmay, Estheim, and Jackattack1597:. Daranios (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
3/4 of those are 9+ years old, and the most recent one was derailed, delegitimized, and possibly canvassed by Andrew D- who if I recall was t-banned from deletion for engaging in systematic ultra-inclusionist disruption. The point is number of times is not relevant and can’t be used to “kill” a discussion. Dronebogus (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
I did not try to "kill" the discussion, but rather put it on a broader basis. I am not playing any game. Shall we go back to discussing the merits and drawbacks of the article, rather than the participants, while keeping the advice on renominating in view? Daranios (talk) 14:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If this article is Kept, could we go longer before a 6th nomination is made?
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  • Keep and amend whatever policy is asserted to apply in contravention to this to clarify that this is a permissible list. The issue I see with this is not its existence, but the absence of sources. BD2412 T 01:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment Just an observation from reviewing recent AFDs, but it's curious that List of female superheroes has only been nominated at AFD once while the supervillains article has been nominated 5 times. Liz 02:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
    Perhaps because there is a notable cause for superheroes than villains? I'm just speculating though. Conyo14 (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
    I can tell from personal experience that it is easier to find sources discussing female superheroes than female supervillains, though both exist. Daranios (talk) 10:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    That's definitely an interesting insight. What was the outcome for the superhero AfD? Pumpkinspyce (talk • contribs) 00:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
    It was actually nominated twice, though the first time it was nominated under a different name (List of superheroines). Both were kept. Conyo14 (talk) 19:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 12:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    @TheInsatiableOne: Which of the four points of WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies to our list here in your view? Daranios (talk) 14:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. ... merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia" TheInsatiableOne (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    Right, so as discussed above we should limit the list to entries already present on Knowledge (XXG), which is already the case for the most part. Then the required context is present at all the blue-linked articles (otherwise they would not be Knowledge (XXG) articles). That can be done as part of normal editing and is therefore not grounds for deletion according to WP:SURMOUNTABLE. (Also, we have a very small amount of context present here in the form of the list's structure.) Daranios (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    That sounds like arguing that collating data in itself produces context, which seems dubious. TompaDompa (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    It's arguing that lists in which "Every entry meets the notability criteria for its own article in the English Knowledge (XXG)" are one type of accepted lists on Knowledge (XXG), and are not inherently in conflict with WP:INDISCRIMINATE, as TheInsatiableOne seemed to imply. And that in such lists the encyclopedic explanation are provided in the indvidual articles rather than the list itself, like e.g. List of German-language poets. None of the four specific points of WP:INDISCRIMINATE was said to apply here. Daranios (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    Restricting lists to entries with Knowledge (XXG) articles is a common way of setting up inclusion criteria, which really has nothing to do with providing context. Saying that the encyclopedic explanation are provided in the indvidual articles rather than the list itself is basically arguing that as long the entries have articles, creating a list is its own justification because collating the links produces the context. TompaDompa (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
    Well, I am saying that a list restricted to entries with their own articles is justified with regard to WP:INDISCRIMINATE, not because collating the links produces the context, but because if there's an article to link to, then that topic has to be encyclopedic and that article has to have the context. - Otherwise how would you explain the existence of List of German-language poets, which is put forth as an illustrative example by WP:Stand-alone lists? There may very well be other considerations, though, like the question if we need a list with regard to WP:CLN, if the list purely provides the article names. Daranios (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
    I would start by noting that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and go on to point out that fact is not fiction and the two are not to be treated the same way. More to the point: if you have to go elsewhere to find the context, the data is not presented in context, now is it? TompaDompa (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
    @TompaDompa: I believe such a restrictive interpretation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE beyond the listed four cases when applied to lists is contrary to consensus on Knowledge (XXG). The only way to confirm this belief I can think of is pointing to the abundance of other articles which would conflict with this restrictive interpretation, e.g. all disambiguation pages. There may be a difference between fact and fiction, but I think there are no policies to treat them differently on Knowledge (XXG), are there? And then it becomes a point to form local consensus for each individual case if an article/list is wanted or not based on WP:PAGEDECIDE, other reasons being absent. If the data is presented in context elsewhere on Knowledge (XXG) and the list does not contain no new information, as long as it helps in navigation to that context, that in my view is a valid approach. Daranios (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
    WP:WAF is all about special considerations when dealing with fiction. As for disambiguation pages, we don't have the John Lee disambiguation page because people who share that name make up a meaningful set—we have it to aid readers who are looking for a specific article among the ones listed but don't know its exact title. The difference here is that of course nobody looking for e.g. the Catwoman article is going to come looking at the List of female supervillains article to find it. A list like this doesn't at all serve the same purpose as a disambiguation page. TompaDompa (talk) 18:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
    True, disambiguation pages differ in function from our list here, just like lists following WP:LISTPURP-NAV differ from regular articles. That's why I think WP:INDISCRIMINATE should not be applied in exactly the same way to all three types. Though I guess we may disagree on wether the function of browsing falls under the purpose of navigation or not. Thanks for pointing out WP:WAF. In it did not see suggestions to treat such lists on topics of fiction as we have here differently from lists of factual topics, however. Daranios (talk) 10:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
    The real reason raw-data lists like these exist is because people don’t know categories exist and that’s unlikely to change. There is no novel information or context provided here and that’s patently obvious. Dronebogus (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
    @Dronebogus: Maybe so, but that means that deletion would hurt rather than help the project overall, if the list helps persons navigate/browse who don't (like to) use categories. And of course lists do have advantages over categories, even if not yet fully realized here. Daranios (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep - per others, above. - jc37 11:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notability is not temporary. This has been discussed four times previously, and in all four times the result was keep. There are plenty of good reasons to keep, but there is no reason to even discuss this when we've been over it so many times already.Jacona (talk) 23:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete‎. Liz 06:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. It appears that a sock of User:Expertwikiguy created this. Chisisi Handal (talk) 15:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

  • KEEP I am the creator of the page. The subject has enough coverage to meet the WP:GNG policies of Knowledge (XXG). Googleboywonder (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:39, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. Liz 07:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Fails WP:GNG, only source is primary. Google has few hits and the ones that exist are not secondary/reliable. Rschen7754 18:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing to keep per James500. The street is still narrow and residential but the coverage he found is impressive. Thank you, James500! gidonb (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was merge‎ to White Night festivals. Liz 01:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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I attempted to redirect this a couple years ago and was reverted. On review, it doesn't appear to pass the WP:NEVENT test, with coverage only in local works, and limited only to the one area. I think Chicago Loop is a reasonable redirect/merge target if there is some desire alternative to deletion. Izno (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

As creator of this article I strongly recommend that it be merged into and redirected towards White Night festivals where it would have better informative use. Victor Grigas (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz 23:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Non-notable and defunct charitable trust. Article orphaned for a decade. PepperBeast (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Delete. Can't seem to find any coverage either. The article is also written terribly. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect‎ to Survivor 41. Liz 19:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Even one article about this person representing Asians onscreen may not be enough to absolve the article's potential issues, especially with WP:BLP1E. Sure, her win in Survivor 41 was watched by millions of viewers, but so were other Survivor winners. Even notability for being a Survivor winner and nothing else has been proven insufficient to save an article from being redirected to another article, if not deleted, as what happened to some other articles. I've yet to see her being notable for other events besides her Survivor win.

Even complying with WP:GNG or WP:SUSTAINED, depending on one's own interpretations, would not prevent that as well. Neither would her being the first Asian Canadian winner as well nor being the first female winner after six Survivor seasons (or after three years) of male winners. George Ho (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Almost forgot: should be redirected to Survivor 41. If not, then to the list of Survivor (American TV series) contestants. George Ho (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Redirect to the Survivor article for that season. I'm doing what I can! Phew! Oaktree b (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge‎ to James Middleton. Liz 19:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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The fact that 6 out of 7 references here mention the Middleton name in their headline suggest that this business was only covered by the press because it was founded by the now Princess of Wales' brother. WP:INHERITORG states that an organization is not notable merely because a notable person was associated with it. The company went into administration in 2021, see here and here. I don't think the company would be considered noteworthy on its own merits without the named associations. The creator of the article also appears to be a SPA, who exclusively wrote about, perhaps for promotional reasons, Boomf. Uhooep (talk) 10:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Comment It would be against consensus to argue that Boomf is notable because it is associated with James Middleton. At the same time it is against consensus to argue that a topic with significant independent coverage is not notable because it is associated with James Middleton. We should consider the coverage that exists, not speculate about why it exists. Gab4gab (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Merge and Redirect to James Middleton. This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP criteria requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *about the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as articles that rely entirely on quotations, press releases, announcements, interviews, website information, etc - even when slightly modified or reworded. Looking at the references, all of the information has been provided by the company and/or a company exec (e.g Middleton) and there is no "Independent Content" - i.e. "original and independent opinion/analysis/investigation/etc" *about the company*. There's a review of the product but that doesn't provide sufficient in-depth information about the *company*. I'm unable to locate any references that meet NCORP criteria for establishing notability so a Merge is the best option. HighKing 12:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Unsuitable for its own article as per nomination. Links to James Middleton seem to be a good reason to merge with a redirect to his article. Karnataka (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect‎ to Women's Premier Soccer League. Liz 22:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG as a youth soccer team. All of the coverage in the article is either about the Washington Spirit or is a primary press release, or an article on a former player which only briefly mentions the organisation. There is a WPSL section, but a third tier soccer team in the USA wouldn't necessarily pass WP:GNG, and I can't find any information on them either. SportingFlyer T·C 00:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to 2006 WPSL season, only claim to fame. GiantSnowman 21:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment. I expanded this article after stumbling on it in a few different contexts and noticing it hadn't been updated since around 2009. I don't oppose deletion. I disagree with GiantSnowman that the one-year existence in WPSL is its only or most notable trait since there's even less coverage available of that than the first Burke abuse allegations or the Torres hiring controversy, which are connected to what happened at the Spirit but about FCV. Its connections as the youth club of a few senior USWNT players are also more notable than the one WPSL season, though not enough on its own for GNG. Most of the content for the WPSL season is also unsourced, and I can't find sources for it.
I'd rather summarize this article's contents in a separate article about The St. James (sports complex), which has considerably more IS/RS/SIGCOV (USA Today; Northern Virginia Magazine 1, 2, Washington Business Journal 1, 2; The Athletic on the Spirit bid; plus RS but likely non-IS NBC Sports on its MLS DC United partnership; Washingtonian 1, 2, 3, 4; and all the cited SoccerWire and W&M mag content) and then redirect this and the old article title F.C. Virginia to that. -Socccc (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
I have no opposition to either of these options, though the Spirit controversy only seems very tangentially about the team. SportingFlyer T·C 00:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
The initial allegations against Burke of using abusive language toward players was reported by a parent of a FCV player, and those alleged incidents occurred entirely while Burke was at FCV and before the Spirit hired him. FCV hired Torres well after Torres had exited the Spirit. Both of those events got significant, independent, and reliable coverage in the context of FCV, particularly Burke's alleged abuse at FCV (Burke 1 with out-of-market print syndication, 2; Torres). But I don't disagree that if FCV isn't already notable on its own, then that alone doesn't make it so.
The St. James bid for the Spirit is admittedly tangential as context for the connections between TSJ, FCV, and the Spirit, and better served between the Spirit's article and an article about The St. James org/complex, not FCV. -Socccc (talk) 02:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Draft for an article on The St. James, which summarizes FC Virginia, its acquisition, and connections to the Spirit, is at Draft:The St. James (sports complex). If approved for AfC, I'd suggest redirecting to that article. If not approved, I suggest redirecting to Women's Premier Soccer League, which lists it, and categorizing the redirect under Category:Elite Clubs National League teams to capture the youth soccer context. -Socccc (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Draft passed AfC and is live at The St. James (sports complex). -Socccc (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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A redirect to Women's Premier Soccer League is the best option because it is listed as a team, whereas in 2006 WPSL season it is listed as a participant. Karnataka (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect‎ to Black Birders Week. Liz 23:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Probably an attempt of WP:AUTOBIO, the article doesn't pass any notability criteria. No significant coverage, scientific publications with very low impact currently (e.g., as seen on her Google scholar profile and her h-index of 3: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=f4g3gQgAAAAJ). There is nothing to justify WP:ACADEMIC. Chiserc (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Delete. There are numerous red flags. For example, the subject is a post-doc and has almost no notable research (h-index 3; ~40 total citations). The text is misleading regarding awards, e.g. postdoctoral fellow is not notable. Most of the references are ephemeral/web. Text is also misleading with respect to Black Birders Week, which was actually organized by dozens of people. In fact, her name is not even mentioned in the WP article on that topic. Overall, this appears to be a fanpage/boosterpage. 128.252.172.27 (talk) 14:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Weak merge to Black Birders Week, which indeed does not currently mention her but probably should. Otherwise probably delete. I don't know if there's a name for the phenomenon in this article, in which the bulk of the article is taken up with personal information that does not relate to the notability claim, thus turning the concept of notability (qua sources sufficient to support an article) on its head. But it's definitely a red flag of sorts. That's not because the article is necessarily promotional let alone self-promotional, but because it's unavoidably invasive and ends up exposing information that would otherwise be substantially private. That's just not a good outcome for anyone (either Knowledge (XXG) or the article subject), even if formal BLP issues can be avoided. Although the subject's feelings may not be relevant to the outcome of the AFD, I would not assume that the article subject welcomes this level of coverage. -- Visviva (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete. Definitely does not meet any NPROF criteria (postdocs/asst profs rarely do), and I am not seeing sustained significant coverage in IRS to support GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz 23:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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This film does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. Besides all the primary sources used in the article (like YouTube and the production website), all the secondary ones used here either do not meet WP:SIGCOV, are blogs/user-generated, or are unreliable (or of unknown reliability). The NPR could be counted towards notability, but it still does not fulfill all the requirements. I was considering the previous deletion discussions before nominating this, but I also fail to see how this film satisfies WP:NFIC as there are not enough reliable sources to claim its impact on the industry and it can be neatly summarized or redirected to the Ryan Higa article. Sparkl 20:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Nice catch, but unfortunately YouTube views don't always fulfill notability (WP:YTN). The book that was cited also disclosed that they sometimes lift information from Knowledge (XXG), stated in page 5. Sparkl 15:57, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Miller, Liz Shannon (2010-11-24). "NigaHiga's New Film Gets Digital Artists, Strompolos Support". Gigaom. Archived from the original on 2012-11-04. Retrieved 2023-06-26.

      The article notes: "The YouTube release of the 35-minute film Agents of Secret Stuff, directed by Wong Fu Productions and starring Higa as a hapless teenage secret agent. ... Agents, initially a self-funded production, has been picked up by the studio Digital Artists to expand its reach beyond the YouTube sphere, including mobile, television and film platforms. ... The actual film is a slickly-produced spy comedy nicely anchored by Higa, who plays a teenager who’s spent his entire life training to be a secret agent, and thus when sent undercover to protect a pretty high school student (Arden Cho) from danger, has no idea how to handle normal high school life. Writing-wise, there’s some lack of sophistication ... Agents, in short, certainly won’t disappoint any hardcore NigaHiga fans, but in terms of execution wouldn’t be out of place in any mainstream line-up of teen programming."

    2. Lee, Letticia (2010-11-19). "Ryan Higa Stars in Agents of Secret Stuff". Asia Pacific Arts. USC U.S.-China Institute. University of Southern California. p. 2. EBSCOhost 64885278.

      The article notes: "This time it's not just a regular short YouTube episode; it's a 40-minute "medium film." The term "medium film" is chosen to represent this collaboration because it is too long to be a short film but too short to be labeled a full-on feature film. Ryan Higa and Wong Fu Productions are ready to show their "medium film," Agents of Secret Stuff to the rest of the YouTube nation. The feature is a true YouTube phenomenon since it not only stars Ryan Higa but also model/actress, Arden Cho, who has her own channel as well. The rest of the cast consists of other YouTube stars including Smosh, Kassem G, and HiimRawn."

    3. Takahashi, Corey (2011-01-26). "In A Small Corner Of YouTube, A Web Star Is Born". NPR. Archived from the original on 2023-06-26. Retrieved 2023-06-26.

      The article notes: ""As long as I can remember, I've been training to become an A.S.S. — an agent of secret stuff," Higa's character, Aden, tells viewers at the start of Agents of Secret Stuff, a 35-minute action-comedy set in high school. The straight-to-YouTube mini-feature follows the mishaps of a covert, socially maladjusted hero who must save a classmate from impending threats. The video features a who's who of YouTube stars, and it's clocked well over 8 million views in the past two months. ... Wong Fu Productions, a production house based in Pasadena, Calif., directed, co-wrote and co-produced Agents of Secret Stuff with Higa, and has worked with him on shorter comedy sketches in the past. ... It partnered with the makers of Agents of Secret Stuff to release a special edition of the movie for iTunes, as well as mobile apps."

    4. O'Dell, Jolie (2010-11-27). "Kitschy Indie Spy Feature Premieres on YouTube ". Mashable. Archived from the original on 2023-06-26. Retrieved 2023-06-26.

      The article notes: "Earlier this week, a group of independent filmmakers decided to put their 35-minute film on YouTube. Wong Fu Productions' Agents of Secret Stuff has since performed fabulously, garnering more than 2 million views for the full film itself and nearly 2.7 million views for the trailer. ... WFP co-founder Philip Wang told YouTube that the entire movie was shot in one intense week this past summer."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Agents of Secret Stuff to pass Knowledge (XXG):Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Routine coverage. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. US-Verified (talk) 20:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Aberystwyth University. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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This has been tagged for notability and dependence on primary/ own sources since 2017 and remains in that state to the present. Searches reveal very little else. Plenty of social media and the occasional local paper mention when things get exiting in town but nothing that stacks up to notability. Only a few students Unions do make the grade for notability. The claim that it one of the oldest might make the notability threshold but that would need good sources which I couldn't find. There is a chance that there are good sources in the Welsh Language but even searching through the Welsh medium press output did not immediately reveal anything obviously noteworthy.  Velella  19:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Insomnium. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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My desired outcome is a redirect to the subject's band. To be clear: the band is notable, but there is no indication that this individual is individually notable as a musician; he plays in two other non-notable bands, but does not appear to have a solo career--and there is no secondary sourcing, not even a claim of any, of his being notable by himself.

The redirect I put in place ("no notability outside of his band; there's no indication that NPROF is met, for instance, given this complete lack of secondary sourcing") was reverted, and an argument was made on the talk page that the man is notable as a microbiologist (and meet NPROF, I presume). But that's not unproblematic: first of all the article in its current condition is about a musician, not a scientist, and second, we are talking about a beginning scholar who apparently got one co-credit in an article and once a place on a panel as one of thirty scholars. I'll repeat what I said on the talk page, to User:Invasive Spices: "Well, what you have is a five-page note on a panel in which your guy is one of some thirty participants, so I am not sure how you can argue that that is a notable publication written by him. The other article is jointly written with five other authors, and it is cited, true, by a few other articles, but none of them discuss Friman or, it seems, actually discuss the work. In other words, there really is no indication that he is a notable scholar who has made important contributions to the field, as required by NPROF." Drmies (talk) 19:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to Insomnium. I will assume good faith from those who created the article, because Friman's academic career outside of the band may be worth discussing in its own right. However, there are notability rules at WP:NACADEMIC that must also be satisfied, and Friman does not. Publishing research articles and attending conferences are good for his university job but not enough for an encyclopedic article. (Disclaimer: I am also a university professor who has had research articles published in professional journals, and my boss is suitably impressed but I would not remotely qualify for a WP article just because of that.) ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Insomnium per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. Nomination withdrawn Liz 19:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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No indication of notability. Coverage is non-existent. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The Bangladeshi wiki article likewise provides no sources, and indeed, it may be that our article is copied from theirs.
The Russian wiki article provides a fairly substantial tournament record, perhaps gleaned from chessresults.com, but it does not provide the kind of sources that English wiki would expect.
The article uses several different variations on his name (Minhaz vs. Minhaj, Sagar or not Sagar, order of names, etc.). One version is used in his FIDE card, and one version is used in Bangladeshi Chess Championship, etc. If this article survives, we should do something about using one version uniformly in the article and mentioning other versions in the first paragraph. Bruce leverett (talk) 19:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment Something seems to be going wrong. Here is strongly entangled. Perhaps some ignorant editor was involved. The news was found in the Daily Star , where the name Minhazuddin Ahmed Sagar is found. He is said to be Mohammad Minhaj Uddin in Jugantor. . The gap between the two news is about 14 years, same person or two different persons (confused). Available at Wikidata. The previously used image was also of the wrong person which has been removed by আফতাবুজ্জামান. Strong Investigate required. Ontor22 (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination withdrawn- Based on the comments and additional sources being added to the article.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 11:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect‎ to Central Commission for Discipline Inspection#Duties and responsibilities. Liz 19:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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The content here is entirely duplicative of and covered by Central Commission for Discipline Inspection. Recommend deleting and replacing with a redirect to Central Commission for Discipline Inspection. Amigao (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Redirect to Central Commission for Discipline Inspection as content is repetitive. Karnataka (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz 19:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Article looks like it was made without following notability guidelines. Only source found: . Probably, WP:TOOSOON. DareshMohan (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Delete as sources are mainly routine about events he will take part in, and other interviews. so should fail the actor notability guideline. Karnataka (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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An artist who may have had some important private clients, but still shows no signs of meeting WP:GNG or WP:NARTIST. After 11 years of waiting for improvement on the situation, I think it's time for this article to go. Sionk (talk) 16:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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WP:BLP of a model, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for models. The only substantive notability claim here is that he's had modelling jobs, which is not automatically enough in and of itself, and the referencing is entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all (directory entry, magazine cover appearance meta-referenced to itself rather than third-party coverage about it, etc.) with absolutely no evidence of WP:GNG-worthy media coverage about him shown at all.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. /Rational 15:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Non-notable actor. Has done small roles in multiple movies, but nothing of note. The references also do not indicate notability is met. Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG Jupitus Smart 14:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. is what WP:SPORTBASIC tells us is a requirement for any footballer to have their own article. Whilst I note that this footballer has an article on Ukrainian Knowledge (XXG), all of the references used there are just database sources. The only non-database source that I could find in Ukrainian was Rayon, which is only a trivial mention of Hrytsyuk. Spiderone 12:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. and limit the list to notable entries. Liz 23:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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I don’t think this is a notable intersection of topics, and even if it was a list format is not how to discuss it. Lists are nearly always uninformative crap unless you are talking about statistics, or chronologies of office holders or award winners. Dronebogus (talk) 08:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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This article was initially an advertisement for the school written by an WP:SPA but the promotional stuff later got purged. There are no reliable sources currently cited and I wasn't able to find any sources satisfying WP:GNG or WP:NORG in my own searches. AO News (translated from Dhivehi) was the best that I could find and it's nowhere near good enough on its own. Spiderone 12:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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This does not appear to be a notable subject. I struggled to find any RS to substantiate that this is a coherent and consistent term that has long-term encyclopedic value. Thenightaway (talk) 10:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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Seems to only be notable for a single event, a Greek beauty pageant (which she won) and, more dubiously, for competing in Miss Universe. The coverage that I can find is all very much concentrated around that one event, and is news rather than analysis (WP:NOTNEWS, and she doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. Indeed, practically all of the first page of Google on her is mirrors and copies of this article. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 11:49, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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All of my searches in English and Sinhala ("ධර්මරාජ විද්‍යාලය" + හෝමාගම) don't seem to yield any decent coverage for this to pass WP:GNG and WP:NORG or at least one of those guidelines. There is plenty about the notable Dharmaraja College in Kandy but I can't find anything about the school of the same name in or near Homagama. It probably exists but whether or not it warrants an article, particularly an unsourced one, is highly questionable. Article created by WP:SPA. Spiderone 12:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Fails in meeting WP:GNG. No reliable sources, references personal affiliates, and the most of the article can be attributed to a self-published blog by the editor who created and wrote most of the article. Student reports in the article are completely unreliable/unsourced and have dubious claims. Could not find reliable independent sources when searching. FutureFlowsLoveYou (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz 06:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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I went through Google search and the article itself. It also fails WP:GNG to be kept as a standalone article. The only source, which is cited there is also a WP:RAJ era source, which is not considered WP:RS for caste related articles.-Admantine123 (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. As this is due to lack of participation, there is no prejudice against speedy renomination. Seraphimblade 23:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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Insufficient references, fails WP:GNG and WP:RPRGM, and WP:SIGCOV Tirishan (talk) 20:25, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz 23:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Insufficient references, fails WP:GNG and WP:RPRGM, and WP:SIGCOV Tirishan (talk) 20:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz 02:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Only secondary source about the road is used to source 1 sentence about the name. The other sources are used to discuss various buildings along the road and not the road itself. LondonTown.com and London's Abandoned Tube Stations are not RS. Rschen7754 06:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Just checked my copy of the Encyclopedia of London and it has a an entry that goes far beyond simply stating the road's existence. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. If anyone would like to work on this article to improve it, I'm willing to restore it to Draft space on request where it can be submitted to WP:AFC for review to see if can overcome problems pointed out in this AFD discussion. Liz 06:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Non-notable business person. Article is largely sourced to lists of "100 best people" or the like; no other sources found beyond linkedin or various mentions of positions they've held. Oaktree b (talk) 04:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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As an employee of DZ BANK, I would like to participate in this discussion and explain the measures we have taken to prevent the deletion of our board member Souâd Benkredda’s entry. Initially, we made content additions and added additional objective sources such as German business newspapers Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and Börsen-Zeitung, Bloomberg Television, and the Expert Commission on Stock Exchange to avoid the impression that Ms. Benkredda is only listed in overview lists. Her contributions in the mentioned media outlets, as well as her involvement in the Expert Commission on Stock Exchange, demonstrate her expertise and influence in the financial industry. These references have been accordingly included under “References” and can be found in the relevant section.
Now, I would like to specifically address the accusation of “orphan” status. To refute this allegation, we have created a direct link from our company website ("Executive Board of DZ Bank with Vita S. Benkredda". DZ Bank.) to the English Knowledge (XXG) entry of Souâd Benkredda. In addition, we will also link to other relevant Knowledge (XXG) entries so that the entry can no longer be viewed in isolation.
I hope these measures contribute to classifying the entry as relevant for the Knowledge (XXG) community and prevents its deletion. Dzbank-kmmo (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Please can you read WP:COI. Editing with a conflict of interest is not strictly prohibited, but you must stick to WP:NPOV with utmost diligence. By the way, orphan, in Knowledge (XXG) lingo, means there are no other articles which link to this one. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the reference to WP:COI, which I have read carefully. I understand the importance of complying with WP:NPOV and will ensure that we will make all edits in accordance with this policy. Dzbank-kmmo (talk) 18:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Comment A possibly reliable independent source: fax.net article Gab4gab (talk) 16:58, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Delete. This article is an orphan and its meeting of GNG is questionable. Referring to rationale of the nominator, the sources in the article are shaky, beyond some standard coverage for corporate businesspeople. DimensionalFusion (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete‎. Guerillero 14:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Mario Williams (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Keep - Per above. Barbados internaitonal with ongoing career and first to play pro in Australia A-League Men. Article needs improvement. not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete - Article fails WP:GNG as the available coverage is not independent or in-depth. The best coverage is the article from the Barbados Football Association, but that is not independent of the subject and doesn't count towards notability. The other coverage is generally routine (match reports, transfer speculation) and not enough to be significant coverage. Jogurney (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of programs previously broadcast by Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation. Liz 06:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

IBC News 11 O'Clock Report (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm unable to find GNG-level sources for this news show. Recommend Redirect to List of programs previously broadcast by Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz 07:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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The only thing I can find on this band are profiles. Upper Deck Guy (talk) 02:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz 07:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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No notable event. No in-deep coverage of the event. 11 sources, 7 are from the promotion so it's primary source. Also, Post Wrestling and Fightful are just results of the event with no in-deep coverage, so it's WP:ROUTINE. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Nothing found in New Zealand media other than an event notification NealeWellington (talk) 07:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
I've dig up a Yahoo Article advertising the events, as well as a second that mentions the event in Sydney. Also want to Ping @TheDeviantPro and @KatoKungLee since they've been involved in similar NJPW discussions in the past. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep - This is a list type of article covering an ongoing series of events, not an article for a single event, where the sum of the whole is greater than each individual part. There's previews and results and I'm not sure what else is expected here. I added more references, there's more I didn't add and these events are still ongoing so there's going to be continuing coverage. I see no issue with this.KatoKungLee (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep - More third party references have been added, as stated above, this is regarding a series of events, with ongoing coverage. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
    • Third party sources were added, but again, it's just WP:ROUTINE coverage. "routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine" --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete - Page is too small for event for me to be even consider supporting to stay. Im not sure how five routine sources could be considered enough to be notable. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade 00:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Portage Entrepreneurial (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a term used in the business field, appears to be started as a DICDEF, then a poor translation of the French term. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Law and France. Shellwood (talk) 14:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep any perceived lack of clarity in the article, such as the difference between portage entrepreneurial and portage salarial, should not be a reason for deletion. Instead, it should be a reason to seek additional sources and further improve the article. The notability of the concept is high, as it represents an alternative business model in the field of entrepreneurship, specifically for self-employed workers in France. --BoraVoro (talk) 06:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep The article may be considered notable for Knowledge (XXG) because it discusses a specific legal status in French labour law. This concept has gained recognition in media and has been discussed by industry experts and the president of the National Union of Specialized Portage Companies. I think the article should be left for revision and addition --MsWalders (talk) 12:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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DimensionalFusion, we use reliable sources to establish notability which is typically the primary determining factor in whether or not articles are Kept, Delete, Merge or Redirected. What do you suggest the determining factor(s) should be, if not notability? Liz 01:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting changing the determining factors regarding notability, I simply think the article itself could be improved with more sources which would help it to establish the aforementioned notability -DimensionalFusion (talk) 08:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep Despite the small number of sources, the article is significant in terms of the criterion of state-building in civil law. This policy direction was also supported by Emmanuel Macron. That is, the interest of the highest branch of government is also present. Leave for editing. --Wyndhan Han (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
  • I believe the preferred english language name for the subject should be "wage portage", in which case we are able to find some english language coverage of the topic, for example "The collaborative spirit at the service of an economic model" in Revue francaise des affaires sociales and "The Impact of New Forms of Self-Employment on Employment Law" in E-Journal of International and Comparative Labour Studies. Although I can't definitively say that the available sources will allow the article to evolve beyond a dicdef, this is a keep but move from me, though I would not oppose a merge to a section in self-employment. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete it is telling that no editor has added any RS to the article since the AfD began. I think that is simply because none exists. I have been unable to find any RS. Our article has zero RS as well. Our article uses Forbes Brandvoice which states - Forbes BrandVoices® provide business partners direct access to the Forbes audience by allowing them to publish their editorial content to the Forbes site., other non-rs like a company website Les Echos Solutions, and another private company Nexco. I am not clear on how anybody determined that this meets our guidelines for inclusion. Lightburst (talk) 14:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. Liz 01:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Sundari Neeyum Sundaran Naanum (TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unsourced for 2-3 years. fails WP:GNG and WP:RPRGM, and WP:NTVNATL Karnataka (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Soft Keep - enough coverage i think Aspiringeditor1 (talk) 23:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Comment: @Aspiringeditor1@P.Karthik.95 can't seem to reply to the other comment, the Times of India is usually seen as being unreliable due to accepting payments for positive coverage. Furthermore IMDb is also not reliable and is correctly in the external links section on the article. Furthermore, in my opinion www.exchange4media.com seems to be routine coverage that only summarises the plot of the article, and I'm not sure about the reliability of this source.
Ignoring these, I'll give my view of the remaining sources that have been added:
  • Source 4 is routine coverage that also lists the cast, the director, and a mini plot summary
  • Source 5 seems to be a tabloid source. Ignoring this, only 1 and 1/2 paragraphs talk about the subject and is only speculation of why the serial ended as well as the name of some cast members and director
  • Source 6 is also routine coverage that also lists the cast, the director, and a mini plot summary
  • Source 12 is routine coverage that talks about how the serial is doing as well as pictures of the episode and other minor plot details.
Karnataka (talk) 21:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
@Karnataka i don’t blame you, but i feel like some articles on ToI actually focus on the topic in question, regardless of notability. Aspiringeditor1 (talk) 23:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
I was stating that the ToI is unreliable and not the detail of the topic - I linked the page where I got information from (WP:TOI) Karnataka (talk) 06:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep new reference added, WP:GNG have added references from The Times of India , , , www.exchange4media.com , IMDb . sufficient significant coverage in reliable sources.

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  • Weak keep, with thanks for the work that has been done on the article since nomination. My reading of WP:TOI and the linked RFC is not that the TOI is excluded from consideration (outside of political topics) but that it should be approached with some caution. I don't see any particular reason for it to be wholly discounted here. While the nom has characterized the Oneindia article in source 12 (now footnote 13) in the article as routine coverage, I think it is sufficiently in-depth that it should not be discounted under WP:ROUTINE (and also, from the little I can glean, there is some interesting commentary on the respective popularities and motivations of the shows involved in that crossover episode). Oneindia is not currently on RSP but a previous discussion on RSN was generally positive. There are numerous other OneIndia articles on the show from the same writer, e.g. , , . There doesn't seem to be a lot to work with here, and I don't have the expertise to fully evaluate the sources, but overall it seems that there is enough to likely meet the GNG. -- Visviva (talk) 18:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge‎ to Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege. (I assume this is the Merge target being suggested) Liz 01:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Article's reception is strictly about a gameplay element and not a character itself, in fact that is the sole crux of the article and feels akin to WP:GAMEGUIDE as this means next to nothing to a casual reader. The bikini/lingerie discussion also relates more to the person doing the cosplay than the character itself, and one of the cosplay examples is from an official contest by Ubisoft. Lastly the Controversy section is more development for the game itself, and also offers no discussion on the character itself. Trying to do research with WP:BEFORE also turned up nothing either actually discussing Caveira as a character. Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:07, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Delete or merge as compromise. The reception of the character in the first subsection is a list of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, and does not meet the standard for WP:SIGCOV. The rest of the reception section is off topic. It should be removed, or at best, adds trivial mentions about other topics that don't really demonstrate notability for this character. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge‎ to Tornadoes of 2001. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

2001 Myrtle Beach tornadoes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This tornado can easily be incorporated into Tornadoes of 2001. Even though a lot of people were injured, there were no fatalities. — jmcgnh 00:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC) on behalf of 144.178.5.26

Keep There may have been only two tornadoes here, but there were more tornadoes that were reported, but not confirmed. They're are also plenty of non-tornadic impacts that can be added. ChessEric 22:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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The current dedication main page is mostly a series of redirects; each section starts with a link to a full article on the referenced topic. The page summary for Dedication that exists does not address the overall concept, instead addressing the contents of one of the sub-pages. I have requested that the disambiguation page be moved to the mainspace page. This page needs to be dispositioned; if it is to move somewhere else it needs substantial help. Darker Dreams (talk) 01:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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