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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The sources and material are essentially all resume/CV type factoids. Previously deleted as an AFD result at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Gene Hallman. The closest possibilities for SNG are some local specialized awards which have been put into the lead. North8000 (talk) 14:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Närkes Kils SK

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I tried my best in Swedish language sources but could not find significant, independent coverage about this sports club, only brief mentions in listings. Not enough to pass WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Very strong keep: List or not. Bolletinen has one of the strongest sports online databases in Swedish. J 1982 (talk) 07:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: It will be great if you can help add some references in Swedish to improve the article and prove the club's notability! Lâm (talk) 08:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It has already been done with the Bolletinen source. "Maratontabell för högsta damserien 1978–2003" emans "all-time table for the women's top division 1978–2003". J 1982 (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment That the publisher is reliable (which I think it most likely is) is not the only criterion for notability, though. That the club appears in a table doesn't make it notable per WP:NTEAM. I do find a bit of coverage of the table tennis section, e.g. and – though I wonder whether those newspapers might be a bit too local to really work towards showing notability. In any case, a) the spelling "Nerikes Kils SK" is more frequent than the spelling with "ä", and b) if the article is kept, it needs a lot of work, and it ought to include more than just a brief mention of the football team in the 1970s. I don't really have an opinion at the moment about its notability. --bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Saquib Rizvi Memorial Marathon

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Can't find anything to suggest notability; alsost all hits are facebook or YouTube &c. TheLongTone (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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IMOCA 60 Initiative Coeur 4

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There is no WP:SIGCOV of this sailboat and thus it fails WP:GNG. PROD was contested. Would support redirection to IMOCA 60. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, its common practice that every IMOCA 60 has its own page, like the french wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/Initiatives-C%C5%93ur_4). The importance is given by the Vendée Globe starting only in about two months. Give me some time to bring the article up to speed. V.Glas (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@V.Glas ~~You created the page~~ This page was created in November 2023 and it has had no independent, reliable, secondary sources since then. That seems like plenty of time to find them and "bring the article up to speed." (I don't believe they exist, since I searched for them WP:BEFORE nominating.) As for your argument that "it's common practice," that's an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument that does not rely on any actual guidelines, and we follow English Knowledge (XXG) guidelines here. What is your policy-based reason for keeping this article? One alternative, if you believe sources will be available after the Vendee Globe, is to draftify this article, which is the appropriate place for it if you're still working on finding sources. Let me know what you think. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

First of all, I did not create the page. That was @Yachty4000. If you are looking for sources or notability, take the French article as reference. I already translated and added some parts. V.Glas (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for my misstatement and have struck it above. Regardless there is now a week for sufficient sources to be identified. As I said, I didn’t find any that fit the bill (and I looked in French as well). But if you find some and they do meet the standards of WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS I will withdraw the nomination. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Julia Arnold (footballer)

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No evidence or claim of notability. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and Julia Arnold played in the 2022–23 DFB-Pokal Frauen final. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per GiantSnowman. This article should be notable. Karol739 (talk) 08:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment - She is also an artist 1 (page 8 and 9) 2 (page 4 and 5). Dougal18 (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per sources in article which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium

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Unable to find any sources conferring notability. Most mentions in any sources appear trivial. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 15:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Venues of the 2022 Asian Games#Outside Hangzhou

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Redirect – Per Lâm. Svartner (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhang, Bin 张斌; Jin, Lu 金璐 (2023-09-16). "（杭州亚运会）浙江金华亚运场馆：草坪像"毛毯"，灯光会"跳舞"" (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "9月19日，金华市体育中心体育场和浙江师范大学东体育场将迎来杭州亚运会第一轮足球小组赛的对阵。浙江师范大学东体育场同样经过改造，其草坪用肉眼看上去十分平整，实际上却是中间高、两侧低，有千分之三的坡度以防止雨季草坪积水。为此，工作人员在铺草时还运用卫星定位系统来确保精确。据工作人员介绍，金华市体育中心的体育馆和体育场所用灯具与杭州亚运会主场馆“大莲花”同款，这些LED灯有着节能环保电费省、坚固耐用寿命长、光线柔和无频闪、色彩丰富造型多等诸多优点。"
  From Google Translate: "On 19 September, the Jinhua Sports Center Stadium and the Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium will welcome the first round of the Hangzhou Asian Games football group match. The Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium has also been renovated. Its lawn looks very flat to the naked eye, but in fact it is high in the middle and low on both sides, with a slope of 0.3% to prevent water accumulation in the lawn during the rainy season. For this reason, the staff also used the satellite positioning system to ensure accuracy when laying the grass. According to the staff, the lamps used in the gymnasium and stadium of Jinhua Sports Center are the same as the "Big Lotus" main stadium of the Hangzhou Asian Games. These LED lamps have many advantages such as energy saving and environmental protection, low electricity bills, durability and long life, soft light without flicker, rich colors and many shapes."
2. Zhang, Feng 张峰 (2023-01-09). "亚运新景观丨3个城市，8座比赛球场，杭州亚运会足球赛，你准备去哪看" . Qianjiang Evening News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Toutiao.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场将承担3场男足小组赛和1场女足小组赛。项目改造提升涉及足球天然草坪、球场照明系统、扩声系统、功能用房、电视转播系统等方面，最多可容纳12241名观众同时观赛。主席台一侧座椅为亮红色，对侧橘黄色座椅中，还镶嵌着白色的四个英文字母：ZJNU，这是浙江师范大学英文的首字母，是浙师范的专属印记。足球场的天然草坪达到国家一级场地认证标准，采用了全自动天然草坪种植层APP远程监控系统，能对各项数值做到全时监控和预警。场馆还有智能灯控系统的一键启动，球场照明系统照度可达2000lux，是现有足球场地照明标准的最高级别。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University will host 3 men's football group matches and 1 women's football group match. The project renovation and upgrading involves the natural football turf, stadium lighting system, sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, TV broadcasting system and other aspects, and can accommodate up to 12,241 spectators at the same time. The seats on one side of the rostrum are bright red, and the orange seats on the opposite side are inlaid with four white English letters: ZJNU, which are the first letters of Zhejiang Normal University in English and the exclusive mark of Zhejiang Normal University. The natural turf of the football field meets the national first-level field certification standards, and adopts a fully automatic natural turf planting layer APP remote monitoring system, which can monitor and warn all values at all times. The venue also has a one-button start of the intelligent lighting control system, and the illumination of the stadium lighting system can reach 2000lux, which is the highest level of existing football field lighting standards."
3. Dong, Yixin 董易鑫; Ji, Junlei 季俊磊 (2022-04-16). "杭州亚运会足球小组赛赛场草坪：每周"理发"约两次" (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "位于金华的浙江师范大学东体育场将举行杭州亚运会足球小组赛，这里的草坪更新养护工作便由沈伟宏主要负责。这里种植的草坪是特殊培育的品种，草皮下面的铺设结构大致可以分为喷灌系统、排水盲管、砾石层、无纺布、约10厘米的中粗砂层、营养土(种植土)等。据悉，这块草坪目前的色泽密度均一性、张力、平整度、渗水率、球的反弹率及滚动速度等各项检测数据均已具备承接国际赛事的资格。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University in Jinhua will host the Hangzhou Asian Games football group matches. Shen Weihong is mainly responsible for the lawn renewal and maintenance work here. The lawn planted here is a specially cultivated variety. The laying structure under the turf can be roughly divided into sprinkler irrigation system, drainage blind pipe, gravel layer, non-woven fabric, about 10 cm of medium-coarse sand layer, nutrient soil (planting soil), etc. It is reported that the current testing data of this lawn such as color density uniformity, tension, flatness, water permeability, ball rebound rate and rolling speed are all qualified to host international events."
4. "心心相融杭州亞運之旅系列：浙江金華傳統與現代交相輝映" . Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2023-10-08. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江師範大學東體育場：足球這場館總建築面積8,391平方米，在改造提升過程中，從足球場天然草坪、球場照明系統到擴聲系統、功能用房、電視轉播系統，都嚴格執行「綠色、智能、節儉、文明」的辦賽理念，足球場天然草坪達到國家一級場地認證標準，塑膠跑道達到中國田徑協會一類場地認證。"
  From Google Translate: "Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium: Football The stadium has a total construction area of 8,391 square meters. During the renovation and upgrading process, the "green, smart, frugal, and civilized" policies were strictly implemented from the natural lawn of the football field, the stadium lighting system to the sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, and television broadcast systems. According to the concept of hosting games, the natural lawn of the football field has reached the national first-level venue certification standard, and the plastic track has reached the first-level venue certification of the Chinese Athletics Association."
5. Jiang, Xiaolai 江小来 (2023-03-28). "杭州亚运场馆show丨浙江师范大学东体育场" . Zhejiang Online (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场为亚运会足球项目比赛场馆，位于金华市婺城区，在金华亚运分村西北方向且相距约7.1公里。... 总建筑面积8391平方米，观众席位数11349个。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University is the venue for the Asian Games football event. It is located in Wucheng District, Jinhua City, about 7.1 kilometers northwest of the Jinhua Asian Games Village. ... The total construction area is 8,391 square meters, with 11,349 seats."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium (simplified Chinese: 浙江师范大学东体育场; traditional Chinese: 浙江師範大學東體育場) to pass Knowledge (XXG):Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

St Andrews University Canoe Club

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. The most significant source among the references is the two-minute BBC clip, where the club was mentioned in passing in an episode of a TV series about the east coast of Scotland. This university sports club lacks the sort of in-depth, national-level coverage required for WP:ORG. I had boldly redirected this to University of St Andrews Athletic Union, but this was revereted. Mz7 (talk) 09:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Christopher N. Harding

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. No indication of signifiance. References are profiles, promo websites, passing mentions, raw search urls and interviews. This is for a WP:BLP as well. scope_creep 12:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. – References are passing mentions, people directory (radaris), etc. Not enough news coverage.Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Robert Bottini

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Football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like this one. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France as possible search term.

Gamesmanship

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, with the article besides the pure definition of gamesmanship (which, in itself, is partly WP:OR) being an example farm of different sports. Beyond that, it mostly cites the book written by the person who popularized (and possibly invented) the term, a primary source that doesn't contribute to notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to Competition. Hyperbolick (talk) 06:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. The article is certainly in rough shape, but it already contains secondary sources establishing notability. For instance, The Timelessness of Steven Potter's "Gamesmanship" discusses the concept and its origins and impact ~~at length~~. That essay also contains pointers to additional potential sources such as this apparently-famous book which applies the concept to the behaviour of corporate executives. Similar sources appear to be plentiful on Google Books and Google Scholar. So this looks to me like WP:SIGCOV. Botterweg14 (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
You say it discusses the concept at length, but it appears to be about the book itself. Do you have access to the book to pinpoint where exactly it discusses the concept alone and then demonstrate that evidence? Right now we have no way to know whether you have read the book or if it is simply an assumption. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a good question. My comment above was based on a skim of the essay, and looking back now I do think I overstated things. You're right that the essay is primarily a literary discussion of Potter's book. However in its discussion of the book's legacy and impact it does verify that the concept of gamesmanship has had an enduring life of its own. So in combination with the other sources, I'm still satisfied that this counts as WP:SIGCOV. Botterweg14 (talk) 21:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep largely per Botterweg14. This is a reasonably well-sourced article on a notable concept that does not at all read like a dictionary definition. Frank Anchor 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Gaziosmanpaşaspor

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Talk page suggests it be considered for deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, no reason to delete. Third-level club with lots of coverage during many years. Geschichte (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep per Geschichte, needs improving not deleting. Giant Snowman 18:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep – Per Geschichte. Svartner (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Probably keep Although I find it a little odd I wasn't so good at finding the best sources, but again just because there are no sources on an article, doesn't mean they don't exist. Perfect example of WP:NEXIST. Govvy (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Plenty of coverage by news and other publications, some of which are on Google Books and Scholar Aintabli (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Turkey at the 2009 World Games

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Tagged uncited over a decade ago. Nothing in the article shows it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 11:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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List of college football coaches with 100 losses

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Not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources covering this grouping to meet the WP:LISTN. The best I could find is ]. Let'srun (talk) 20:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Side comment that the title might be better as something like "List of college football career ~~wins~~ leaders". Unless it's deemed some magic number in sources, cutoff criteria should rarely be in titles. Per WP:LISTNAME:
Many lists are not intended to contain every possible member, but this does not need to be explained in the title itself ... the detailed criteria for inclusion should be described in the lead, and a reasonably concise title should be chosen for the list.
—Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@Bagumba: the list you speak of appears to exist at List of college football career coaching wins leaders. Perhaps this one should be merged/redirected into that one. Left guide (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Oops, I meant "List of college football career losses leaders". —Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I do think loss leaders on its own would be a notable list, but, I'd expect all of the significant loss leaders to already be included in the win list. You don't typically lose for a long long time without getting fired, but mildly successful coaches can hand around a while and rack up some stats. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
You can also rack up a huge number of losses by being a coach for a long time at a small school that's not really focused on football and that can't really afford a higher caliber coach, so they just keep losing season after season but do nothing about it. 129.7.55.20 (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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1993 TAC Cup season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the 25 articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive a decent amount of non-routine individual coverage, as a WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is all primarily focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. I note also that 19 of the 25 articles (those from 2000–2018) are currently based entirely on a single database reference, and those which aren't are almost entirely from non-independent sources. I see no valid alternative to deletion and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle:

Aspirex (talk) 22:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment sorry, but that's way too much for me to work through to see if it needs deletion or not. WP:TRAINWRECK. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
@Govvy: TRAINWRECK is a term for AfDs that cover many topics, but fail because the topics are too dissimilar – some are notable, others aren't. But surely any given TAC Cup season will be about as notable as the next? What makes you think TRAINWRECK applies here? – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment it is possible that I did not make clear enough that these pages are all different seasons of the same competition with different sponsored names. Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
  - Comment @Aspirex and Teratix: Because on my first look, I assumed the AfD was for two different leagues. I didn't say don't delete, I just felt it was too much on one AfD. Maybe splitting between two AfDs might have been easier to manage for some people such as myself. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment there is a strong case for deletion on the face of it – I would be surprised if enough sources exist for individual seasons of a state-level underage development competition. The point Aspirex makes about TAC Cup coverage mainly focusing on individual players or general aspects of competition structure, not specific results, rings true to me. – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
User:Aspirex, this AFD is not formatted correctly for a bundled nomination. You can't just write down a list of linked articles and consider them to be included in this nomination, our closing tool, XFDcloser will not recognize them as nominated articles. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format this nomination correctly. No matter how this discussion is closed, this needs to happen. Thank you. Liz 05:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Liz (talk · contribs) Thanks. Did this edit fix it or have I still missed something? Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Aspirex, everything looks good. Liz 23:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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List of highest-grossing sports films

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Topic fails WP:LISTCRIT, as there is no reliable source on how an items appears on the list. Interpretation of what is or is not a sports film comes off as failing WP:OR. See discussions at Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject_Film/Archive_79 in 2022 and Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Film#List of highest-grossing sports films here in 2024. Two years ago, the article was discussed for deletion, since then, per the second discussion topic this year it has been described as being in a worse state, specifically due to WP:OR, as there is no clear definition of what is or is not a sports film, the list is made up of material selected per choice by editors. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment, these sources seem to discuss the articles subject , , . Esolo5002 (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
while a quick Google search will supply anyone with similar lists, thats not the issue with the article, it's that definition of what the genre is is not clear, and the inclusion of films is up to debate. These lists don't even agree with each other, so how do we classify this? (one lists the Pixar film Cars as the highest grossing, while the other lists The Blind Side, list can't be properly built upon vague interpretations on highest grossing if there is statements like this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Obviously. My favorite ridiculous entry is Babe - sheepdog trials. Barry Wom (talk) 17:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
keep if there something that someone thinks should not be there or a film that should bring it up on the talk page and it can be discussed Fanoflionking3 (talk) 18:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
It's not that one user or another decides whether a film belongs on the list, it's that there is no general consensus on what type of film belongs. As it can't be properly classified due to a lack of significant coverage, the list is unsustainable. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete as the person who first brought this up. This isn't an issue of "theres coverage for it" its that it is a definitional impossibility that conflicts with sports films and list of sports films. And it isn't something that can be fixed either by going through it and saying what is or is not a sports film based on sourcing because the whole thing is a failed exercise that cannot be undone. It's not even a split list as its contents contradict the other lists its supposedly split from. As an encyclopedia this article is so all over the place that while everyone here is debating Babe i'm noticing that according to it the top sports films of all time are Inside Out 2 and the entire Fast and the Furious series alongside the Dragon Ball anime. We could go into a deep philosophical discussion about "what is a sport anyway" but instead this article exists as a fork from sports movies for no reason. –– Lid 03:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Bring up Babe is about sheepdog trail, sheepdog trails are considered a sport see about sheepdog trail being sports https://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/articles/2006/07/24/sheepdog_trials_feature.shtml Fanoflionking3 (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

While I'm not in denial of it being treated as a sport, what is and what isn't a sport film is less abundantly clear, so we can't just apply items like this. It's not clear what constitute the sports film genre per the links earlier that have different criteria. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Meets Wp:NLIST (Sources covering that very topic exist, see GNews hits, for example) and can be considered a WP:SPLITLIST -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

So we need a definition for a sports film then (i always considered that t being about a sport event or training for a event) Babe (using this as example) is about babe training for a sheep dog trail then complete in the trail. Fanoflionking3 (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The issue with the genre is that is vague and unspecific. As shown by the two links above, there is no obvious connection between what is and what isn't. This is why an editor above may laugh at the idea of Babe being a sports film, while other may not. We can have our own personal definitions, but as that's not categorizable, we can't say what is higher grossing than the other. If a film were specifically about baseball we might be able to have some sort of list, but that would be relatively fringe. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Somethings are clearly sports film (rockey for example), whiles others could be question (babe for example) using babe a done a sample of what we could do.Fanoflionking3 (talk) 22:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

We could do something like this, we do not need to every film just any witch someone question. Fanoflionking3 (talk) 22:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Rank	Film	Year	Worldwide gross	Ref	Sport(s)
1	Babe	1995	$254,134,910		Sheepdog trial

I think the talk page would be more appropriate for this, as the genre does not seem to be very specific, I don't think a list like this can be really be built on any foundation without some more strict details of what the genre may include. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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in the film Babe, Babe the pig trains to take part in a sheepdog trail, sheepdog trails are considered a sport

Keep as a notable stand-alone list topic even though the list's current contents and approaches are garbage. The problem is defining a sports film as opposed to films that have sports in part, like considering Forrest Gump a sports film is WP:UNDUE. I do oppose the more complex and cross-categorization lists that are embedded in this list article per WP:NLIST since some just get plain indiscriminate. I would support a hard-ass culling of this list. Regardless, there are reliable sources talking about highest-grossing sports movies, so the scope is 100% tenable. We have to overcome the sloppiness of this draft. Erik (talk | contrib) 17:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't think there being reliable sources talking about highest-grossing sports movies necessarily means that the scope is 100% tenable. If those sources do not agree what counts as sports movies and what does not, there does not exist a consensus scope, but an equivocation. Do the sources actually agree on the scope in a way that makes for list criteria that are clear-cut and enforceable here? TompaDompa (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Of course the scope is 100% tenable. The problem is with how to present the details. We definitely have reliable sources writing about the highest-grossing sports films. Do we see these sources naming Forrest Gump and Babe as sports films? Or is it certain editors being ridiculously and erroneously pedantic here? Furthermore, reliable sources are not published with Knowledge (XXG) suitability in mind. So can we find a way to work with their coverage? Other approaches here could be to avoid an overall list and instead have various embedded lists by sports (e.g., highest-grossing baseball films). Or we could redirect to just sports film and write some prose saying what has been identified as highest-grossing films in the sports genre and not commit to a table. Erik (talk | contrib) 19:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Maybe we have different ideas about what it means for the scope to be tenable. If the best we can do is redirect to just sports film and write some prose saying what has been identified as highest-grossing films in the sports genre and not commit to a table, I would not consider the scope to be tenable. I would not even consider the scope to be tenable if we have to avoid an overall list. I'm sure we can find somewhere on Knowledge (XXG) to include the words "highest-grossing sports film(s)" with some relevant content, but that's a much lower bar. TompaDompa (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
I think TompaDompa's suggestion might be best. Being the third...fourth...fifth highgest grossing sports film is not something commonly applied to any film as an achievement and would be unmeasurable. Being the highest grossing sports film of all time or something is something you could potentially cover. The rest is just numbers games that we can't apply as with even sourced material above, there appears to be no consensus to what is and what isn't considered a sports film from person to person. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment I'll quote myself from roughly a year ago over at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of highest-grossing films based on television series: It is plain to see that this article, as so many box office lists before it, was inspired by the only such list on Knowledge (XXG) that is actually of high quality: List of highest-grossing films (a WP:Featured list). The problem with the proliferation of these lists is that they are created without understanding what it is that makes that list work, and they often just copy the structure without considering whether it is appropriate for the newly-created list—or indeed, considering whether the new list should exist at all. The result is that we have a plethora of poorly maintained, straight-up bad lists with myriad problems including—mainly—sourcing issues. This is, well, churnalism—or I suppose online one would call it content farming. It is the assembly of pure WP:RAWDATA by way of WP:Original research at the whims of Knowledge (XXG) editors who have mined box office databases for the data and come up with a new angle from which to slice it more-or-less arbitrarily. It is a scourge.As for what should be done about this list, specifically, if it is to be kept in any form whatsoever (be it as a stand-alone article or as part of some other article) it categorically needs to be demonstrated that it is actually possible to have inclusion criteria that are unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources per WP:LISTCRITERIA, or in other words that there actually exists some kind of consensus among the sources about what belongs on the list and what does not. What we currently have fails the requirement from WP:LISTCRITERIA to Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources. That goes for a lot of these lists. TompaDompa (talk) 17:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. This is just a mirror of BoxOfficeMojo with some summaries ... that doesn't update as often. No effort to indicate when these statistics are captured or how out-of-date they might be. Or how they might compare across decades. And so the information is better kept at its source, and such an article offers no value. The inclusion criteria is between absurd and unenforced: there are silly entries (like *Babe*). But also entries for movies that haven't earned more than $10 million -- how could they possibly appear on any "highest-grossing" list? *Ben-Hur* for the "sport" of chariot racing? Come on. -- mikeblas (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete I don't see what value this article provides to the reader either. Reflecting the comment above, it is impossible to keep up to date. The problem is effective sourcing is another problem. I don't see its value as a standalone article. scope_creep 13:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep but overhaul. Passes NLIST: "Highest Grossing Sports Movies" CNBC, "These Are the Top 10 Highest-Grossing Sports Movies" Sports Illustrated, "Highest-Grossing Sports Movies" Forbes, "Can you guess what the highest-grossing sports movies are?" Sports Illustrated again. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Legends League Cricket

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Recreation of a deleted article following this AfD. Apparently because the wording and WP:REFBOMBS are different, it cannot be a G4 speedy... Non-notable, just as it was a month and a bit ago, with WP:REFBOMBS and no establishment of WP:GNG. Just because retired players are taking part, doesn't mean notability is inherited. Coverage within the refbombs is routine. AA (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep As I previously commented that the page should not be deleted because this is known cricket league. And In this all are international cricket players. And this is the main page of league not season page and also old league. I think it should be not be deleted because a lot of news references are available.
PQR01 (talk) 04:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
You didn't actually contribute at the last AFD (at least not as this logged in user). But WP:NOTINHERITED applies- just because notable people compete, that doesn't make this event notable. If you didn't like that it was deleted, WP:Deletion review would have been the proper process, not re-creating the article and thus forcing another AFD. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
For the record, the previous comment PQR01 is referring to is on the talk page of the article. -- asilvering (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete and salt as per my rationale at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Legends League Cricket. Nothing has changed in the 1 month since the last AFD, and re-creating an article after a clear AFD consensus like this is just disruptive. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
There is a sockpuppet investigation here, as I am sure many, if not all, of these accounts are linked. AA (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete - As per above rationale. Simione001 (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep I think the league is quite notable as it's the most watched league in India after IPL as per BARC with reference to the news. Also the league was started back in 2022 and from then, a total of 4 seasons have happened and the 5th season is about to start from 20th September. The league is approved by Oman & Qatar cricket associations & several state associations in India. Taplow45 (talk) 08:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
So that's a lot of personal opinion... where's the WP:GNG, WP:OFFCRIC, WP:EVENT pass? AA (talk) 10:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep: Seems noteworthy , covered in other news sources as well. Although, article should be improved to include a bit more info such as champions, scorecards, stats etc. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify: Move to mainspace once the article is complete and ready. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Big Legends play and it has continuously grown in stature. Lot of media attention shows that fans want to know about the league thus i think it should be on Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendaryFan88 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Thats a good point. Move the page to main space 103.70.152.141 (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The above and below keeps should be discarded as they are likely sockpuppets. I have added LegendaryFan88 to an ongoing sockpuppet investigation... curious isn't it, that LegendaryFan88 has made a handful of edits yet stumbles across this AfD. AA (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep It seems like someone has an agenda against the league for not having got a chance to work with them. One of the comments shows that an agency is supporting the author. This league is creating jobs for retired cricketers and other staff. And it is visible on top sports networks across the world. Thus i feel it should have a Wiki page for dissemination of information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.141 (talk) 09:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: The creator of the page, along with the associated pro-page IDs and IPs, clearly shows signs of WP:UPE. Also, the page focuses on a cricket league filled with retired players, making it seem more like a promotional one. Charlie (talk) 06:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Also, the so-called league is not run by a sports governing body or organization, but by a company named Absolute Legends Sports Pvt. Ltd. This highlights that it is not primarily a cricket league to begin with. This information should be taken into consideration until and unless it's proven otherwise. Charlie (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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American football

Andy Dennehy

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Non-notable amateur sports person. In terms of WP:SPORTBASIC, the only coverage I can find is the stuff that I've added to the article. Most of which is not independent (like "listings" on personnel sheets of orgs with which the subject has a connection like these: ; Which, even if they were independent, are far from in-depth coverage). Or ROTM "match report" type passing mentions (like these: ). In terms of WP:GNG, we barely have enough sources to establish even the sub-stub that we have. And certainly insufficient sources to expand any biographical information (DOB, place of birth, education, etc). A search in Irish news sources returns little to nothing. In the Irish Independent family of regional/national papers for example, all I can find are these two trivial passing mentions. Similar searches, in news sources like the Irish Examiner or Irish Times or RTE.ie, return nothing at all. Nothing. Not even trivial passing mentions. Notability is not established. Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. I know nothing about how significant American football is in Ireland. That said, being one of the initial inductees into the Hall of Fame for American football in Ireland suggests he was at a minimum a pretty big frog in a little pond. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

List of college football coaches with 100 losses

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Not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources covering this grouping to meet the WP:LISTN. The best I could find is ]. Let'srun (talk) 20:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Side comment that the title might be better as something like "List of college football career ~~wins~~ leaders". Unless it's deemed some magic number in sources, cutoff criteria should rarely be in titles. Per WP:LISTNAME:
Many lists are not intended to contain every possible member, but this does not need to be explained in the title itself ... the detailed criteria for inclusion should be described in the lead, and a reasonably concise title should be chosen for the list.
—Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@Bagumba: the list you speak of appears to exist at List of college football career coaching wins leaders. Perhaps this one should be merged/redirected into that one. Left guide (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Oops, I meant "List of college football career losses leaders". —Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I do think loss leaders on its own would be a notable list, but, I'd expect all of the significant loss leaders to already be included in the win list. You don't typically lose for a long long time without getting fired, but mildly successful coaches can hand around a while and rack up some stats. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
You can also rack up a huge number of losses by being a coach for a long time at a small school that's not really focused on football and that can't really afford a higher caliber coach, so they just keep losing season after season but do nothing about it. 129.7.55.20 (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Baseball

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List of SABR regional chapters

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No evidence of any notability for this list as a group. Fram (talk) 09:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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I've removed from Basketball, as this is baseball.—Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Further note from creator: the purpose of the list is to serve as a WP:CFORK for the main article Society for American Baseball Research. So I don't see a problem here. If not kept, however, then at least merge back with main article rather than outright delete. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Please see Knowledge (XXG):Content_forks#List formats, point 4. A list content fork like this one is only acceptable if there are no notability issues. Fram (talk) 10:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Fram, just giving the reason why I created the page in the first place so users voting have the full picture. There are numerous chapter lists of fraternities and societies and I see this as similar to that. And I also don't want information I transfered from that page and expanded to be lost so this should be merged back to the main article if not kept as a seperate article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

One could argue that WP:NOTDIRECTORY also applies at the main article: However, Knowledge (XXG) is not a directory of everything in the universe that exists or has existed. There's also WP:VNOT: While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. —Bagumba (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. I see no evidence that individual chapters or the chapters as a group are discussed in secondary, independent sources. This article fails WP:NLIST and, while well-intentioned and informative, Knowledge (XXG) is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a catcher leaders

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What's offered in this article's references and external links section is a collection of publications from MLB (primary non-independent source) and baseball-reference.com (a stats database), neither of which count towards notability. Furthermore, most of them don't actually discuss this list topic but are instead being used in a WP:SYNTH manner. These two sources publish some variant of the list, but lack the requisite secondary SIGCOV needed to establish notability. An extensive WP:BEFORE search wasn't of much help. I discovered this source from Baseball Almanac; it has a table of random stats (not secondary or SIGCOV), and then a "Fast Facts" section at the bottom with a brief mention of three random unrelated factoids, but no meaningful discussion about this list topic specifically. bb_catchers.tripod.com contains two sentences discussing this list, but the site has no apparent editorial or authorial information, so it's likely WP:SPS. This source contains a footnote with a single sentence (which means it falls short of SIGCOV) mentioning only the first-place entry (which means it fails NLIST). At present, this article topic fails WP:NLIST, which requires in-depth significant coverage from independent reliable secondary sources that collate and discuss this list topic's entries together as a group or set to establish notability. In light of the aforementioned article review and search for sources, delete. Left guide (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge per Reywas92's proposal at related AfDs. I think top 10 by position is too narrow (I'd favor top 20 or 25 at each position), but the precise number can be sorted out in a talk page discussion (need not be resolved here). Cbl62 (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. The WP lists of career leaders for batting, pitching and baserunning categories (such as hits, wins and stolen bases) are older, generally dating to between 2004 and 2007; the lists of fielding leaders are more recent, generally from around 2019, but are no less valid. Also, the batting, pitching and baserunning lists currently include less information, and are arguably more redundant of other sources; the individual subdivisions by league which have been added to the fielding lists are useful (and factual), as are the notes on the holders of various records over the years. Anyone looking for this info could, I suppose, wade through the data on other sites to find it themselves, but why make that necessary? There used to be annual publications which included the current league records, but I'm not sure any are still being printed, so that info isn't even easy to find anymore; I can't find career single-league records on Baseball-Reference, let alone single-league leaders, so I'm not sure where they'd be available. I don't think there's a WP:SYNTH issue, because no conclusions or inferences are being drawn -it's all simply factual material. MisfitToys (talk) 02:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
@MisfitToys: None of that proves compliance with WP:NLIST, nor does it rebut the thorough source analysis set forth in the nomination, and I also see multiple arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Can you please justify your keep !vote by providing independent secondary reliable sources that directly discuss this list topic as a group to show notability? Left guide (talk) 08:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a pitcher leaders

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Tagged for notability over three months ago with no sourcing improvements since then. The article's references largely consist of primary/non-independent sources and stats databases, but more importantly, they also all fail verification or only cover off-topic matters; none actually discuss this record or list. At present, this article topic fails WP:NLIST, which requires in-depth significant coverage from independent reliable secondary sources that collate and discuss this list topic's entries together as a group or set to establish notability. A thorough WP:BEFORE search yielded dismal results; the best-quality source I could find was this Guinness World record page, but the WP:RSP entry for Guinness World Records says There is consensus that world records verified by Guinness World Records should not be used to establish notability. Furthermore, it briefly mentions the first-place entry but fails to discuss a group or set of list entries together as required by WP:NLIST. Page 329 of this book offers a sentence discussing the top four entries of this list but since it's published by AuthorHouse, it's an WP:SPS. With all that said, delete. Left guide (talk) 22:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge all in set Why do all these lists need to have the top 100 players? I think a List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders that had just the top 10 at each position may be reasonable and notable. Otherwise this is data cruft that should be deleted outright. Reywas92 02:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge per Reywas92. I think top 10 by position is too narrow (I'd favor top 20 or 25 at each position), but the precise number can be sorted out in a talk page discussion (need not be resolved here). Cbl62 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders

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Tagged for notability over three months ago with no sourcing improvements since then. The article's references consist of an MLB rulebook which is a primary source and baseball-reference.com which is a stats database; neither count towards notability. At present, this article topic fails WP:NLIST, which requires in-depth significant coverage from independent reliable secondary sources that collate and discuss this list topic's entries together as a group or set to establish notability. A WP:BEFORE search came up empty; hence, delete. Left guide (talk) 10:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Similar discussion at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders. Also, this is covered by Baseball Almanac and I'd imagine baseball-reference though I haven't seen a direct source. Conyo14 (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Conyo14: Are those sources secondary and WP:SIGCOV for this topic though? Mere statistical database entries don't count towards notability; the sources need to provide fleshed out prose and context directly about this list topic. Left guide (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm not advocating for a !keep. Just merely pointing out the references that are to be pointed here. Baseball Almanac is considered reliable and covers the statistical aspect. Beyond that, I'd say each record is likely to house some WP:SIGCOV from the player article. However, the grouping may not suffice for deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Conyo14: Well can you please provide more specific usable links (the Baseball Almanac link you supplied comes up as an error without rendering anything meaningful) or quotes of the source material so they can be judged and examined by the community? I'm afraid your argument is WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES as of the present moment. Notability is demonstrated via evidence of sufficient source material, not the belief or assertion of such. WP:Articles for deletion/List of NBA career ejections leaders is a current example of evidence-based WP:NLIST notability being demonstrated in a similar context (sports stats list). Left guide (talk) 07:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh it did, let me fix the link. My argument is more like, "watch out". Conyo14 (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Conyo14: Yes, I was already aware of the bundled right-fielder AfD as someone who participated there. I was referring to this Baseball Almanac external link you provided, which incurs a 404-type error. Left guide (talk) 18:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
One thing at a time, Left guide. Conyo14 (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Conyo14: Is this the Baseball Almanac source you've been alluding to? If so, it unfortunately doesn't contribute towards WP:NLIST for this particular topic. It has a table with a collection of random outfielder double play stats (not secondary or SIGCOV), and then a "Fast Facts" section at the bottom with secondary prose about three random factoids, but nothing about this list topic specifically. Left guide (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
👍🏻 Conyo14 (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Forgot to mention in the nom that the content within the article's two sources don't discuss this list topic at all. They're being used in WP:OR/WP:SYNTH fashion to verify tangential details. And this in the external links section is not secondary or SIGCOV; raw stats tables don't count towards notability. Left guide (talk) 07:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge all in set Why do all these lists need to have the top 100 players? I think a List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders that had just the top 10 at each position may be reasonable and notable. Otherwise this is data cruft that should be deleted outright. Reywas92 02:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge per Reywas92. I think top 10 by position is too narrow (I'd favor top 20 or 25 at each position), but the precise number can be sorted out in a talk page discussion (need not be resolved here). Cbl62 (talk) 22:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders

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Looked at the sources, and besides baseball-reference, there isn't much to justify the list as a group. If this included all double plays, then it might be more notable as a group, as Baseball Almanac covers it. Since it is only the one position, I think WP:NOTSTATS comes into play. Edit Including the bottom two for the same reason. Conyo14 (talk) 03:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per WP:SALAT: too narrow. Now if it had included only blonds born in January ... Clarityfiend (talk) 06:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete, far too specific to be notable. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Procedural Keep - To repeat my comment at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders: There are too many other DP articles. If anything all three OF (LF/RF/CF) DP lists should be merged/redirected to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders. I don't see why RF is targeted over CF or LF. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Noting here the rationale used for closing the CF AFD:
  - The result was no consensus‎. NLIST states, "There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists..." This AfD reflects the present lack of consensus on this wider issue.
- Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
  I can add those to the AfD, I see no problem with merging/redirecting to them. This one was just part of my patrol. Conyo14 (talk) 04:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
  It would probably be a more productive discussion, yes. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 17:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
  
  Clarifying my !vote now stands at Merge & redirect to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders after all 3 were nom'd. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge or at least partially merge to the outfield double play article. I am not sure that double plays by right fielders is inherently notable, but double plays by specific position is relevant to the general outfield article. Although maybe limit the specific position lists to 10 or 20 players. Rlendog (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Notice I have updated the AfD to include List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a left fielder leaders and List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders. Also pinging original !voters if they want to update their !vote. @BX:, @Clarityfiend:, @Esolo5002:, @Rlendog: Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete or merge: I agree that the split by position is largely the issue, which is why I support a merge that may allow the list to pass WP:NLIST. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete all: No indication that WP:NLIST is satisfied here, which requires in-depth coverage from independent secondary reliable sources collating an article's list entries together as a group. All three articles fail that standard at present. Left guide (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Also, I oppose any merge or redirect to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders since that page is an equally problematic failure of WP:NLIST that will inevitably be deleted soon anyways. That's just kicking the can down the road and creating more unnecessary administrative and editorial work in the future for no real gain. Left guide (talk) 09:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opposition to the merger has been raised, and to allow a full week for the added articles.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge all and the rest Why do all these lists need to have the top 100 players? I think a List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders that had just the top 10 at each position may be reasonable and notable. Otherwise this is data cruft that should be deleted outright. Reywas92 02:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Basketball

Basketball at the 2023 Palarong Pambansa

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Fails general notability standards (school athletics competitions are not considered notable). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC) Also proposing:

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Comment I have no opinion on this particular event but the notion that school athletics competitions are not considered notable is simply not true, see the various NCAA competitions in the United States. Alvaldi (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Melikşah Üniversitesi S.K.

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I searched but this does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Alfie Pearse

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I can't find significant coverage in reliable sources for this muay thai fighter, but I'm not confident I know where to look, either. Here's two links that might help someone else: ; . asilvering (talk) 23:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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I've added some details to his biography and cited some articles from: GaryFightRecord (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON, doesnt meet criteria for WP:NKICK. Nswix (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment This was interesting search and showed how things have changed. Time was it was very difficult (well nigh impossible) to find sources on Muay Thai fighters. I found a number of articles on Pearse, but most of them are TikTok, youtube, and instagram. Fight results and upcoming fight announcements are easy to find, but it's still difficult to find significant coverage from sources I know are both reliable and independent. He comes close to meeting WP:NKICK. The WMC ranks him as the #11 contender in his weight class (hence #12 overall) and he recently lost to the Rajadamnern champion in a non-title bout. Neither the sources I found nor the ones mentioned in the article convince me that WP:GNG is met. Historically, organizational ratings are sometimes suspect--it's hard to believe he's so highly ranked in the world when he's only ranked #8 at Rajadamnern. I'd say it appears to be WP:TOOSOON, but I'm not voting right now in the hope that better sources can be provided. Papaursa (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Nobody has provided any additional sources showing WP:GNG or WP:BIO is met, so I'm voting to delete this article. I hope someone will let me know if additional sources are found. Papaursa (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Probably WP:TOOSOON. Subject doesn't meet WP:NKICK and doesn't pass WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Agam Manohar Pandit

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This biography of a businessman and former youth cricketer fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. There is no WP:SIGCOV of Pandit, only WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of his participation on a team, and no WP:SIGCOV of his business career either. At best it's WP:BLP1E for the U-15 Cricket World Cup (but that's not even a valid redirect since there's no page on that competition), but even then he doesn't qualify for a standalone page. Contested PROD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect. He did play cricket at senior domestic level for Goa, making two first-class and List A appearances apiece; however, he didn't do much in these matches. A redirect to List of Goa cricketers is a suitable WP:ATD. AA (talk) 20:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Per nom. All sources are very poor with stat, an entry, passing mention about sitting out of the game, another passing mention that just says, Agam Pandit and ADC Energy Prepare for COP28, and last one about being appointed as selector and the end note of this source says "The above press release has been provided by VMPL. ANI will not be responsible in any way for the content of the same." There is no significant coverage of his role as businessman. No significant achievements noteworthy nationally and internationally to satisfy notability about the subject role as cricketer. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NBIO, WP:NSPORT. RangersRus (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. – References are passing mentions, press releases, etc. Not enough news coverage.Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Armagh Cricket Club

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I believe the article fails notability. The article cites only a single non-independent source. A search has revealed only non-significant coverage in reference to games or the grounds and such (with the possible exception of this book page I found).
It was previously proposed for deletion in 2011, with the result being a weak keep with the expectation that user:Brocach would try to add sources. It had been more than a decade and the article has not been improved. Lenny Marks (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Minor Update: It seems @Guliolopez has been able to find some more sources. I have not been able to review yet weather they constitute significant coverage, but at a glance they seem to be either incidental or non-independent. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep. Personally I can't support deletion. As noted above, I found and have added a number of sources which allow for the article to be expanded beyond a stub. And, in at least some cases, appear to support a claim to notability. While some of the more in-depth sources available appear to be connected to the subject (including at least one if not both of the "anniversary/history" pieces by Weir (2009) and Duffy (1984)), others seem more independent of the subject. Including the (granted somewhat "local interest") news stories and history coverage in Armagh Today, the Ulster Gazette, and the journal of the Armagh History Group. While I'm not exactly bowled over by these sources (hence the "weak keep" recommendation), outright deletion wouldn't seem appropriate at all. As, even if there was consensus that the org wasn't sufficiently notable for a standalone title, the title could be redirected (and the related content easily merged) to The Mall, Armagh or Armagh#Sport or NCU Senior League or any number of other titles. Personally I think, on balance, that this subject can just about sustain its own title however. Certainly can't support outright deletion. Guliolopez (talk) 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: not enough coverage on independent sources. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

2016 Tamil Nadu Premier League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for separate season articles; Should be redirected to Tamil Nadu Premier League. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Also nominating,

2017 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2018 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2019 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2021 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2022 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2023 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2024 Tamil Nadu Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The article(s) ''should not be deleted/redirected''. They contain quite a bit of information with sources from TNCA, ESPN cricinfo, Cricbuzz etc.

If required, someone can take initiative in adding more sources for respective pages.

Thanks, Vikram Maingi (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

TNCA is the official site, doesn't count on notability. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I am also against the deletion of these. While some of these articles might require expansion, copy editing and additional work on citations, generalised deletion is not the way to go. My reasons for the same:

There are standalone articles as there are similar articles for similar sporting events and it does not fail notability.
There is significant information in these articles. For e.g. the 2024 season page is ~15k bytes in length. I do not think these can be condensed into the original article. With eight seasons and further ones, it will make continue to make the original page unnecessarily longer and difficult to read.
While I do agree that some of these would require additional citations and secondary sources, generalisation as failing WP:RS is an overreach. Say the e.g. the article for the 2024 season has more than ten citations, of which a larger proportion seem to be independent secondary sources and quite a number of them are reliable.

Update: I have started working on the page for the 2024 season.

Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Uttarakhand Premier League

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Madhya Pradesh League

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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2023 Rajasthan Premier League

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Maharaja Trophy KSCA T20

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. The season of a non-notable cricket tournament. Fails WP:GNG and WP:OFFCRIC. AA (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Chhattisgarh Cricket Premier League

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Non-notable cricket league which fails WP:OFFCRIC and WP:GNG. AA (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Chhattisgarh Cricket Premier League

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Domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Non-notable cricket league which fails WP:OFFCRIC and WP:GNG. AA (talk) 22:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Pokhara Avengers

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Non notable cricket team. IP editors keep turning the redirect back into article, so AFD to get consensus is only way to prevent this. I do not mind the redirect being restored so long as it is protected (to prevent re-creation by IPs or other users reverting the redirect again). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect: NPL hasn't even begun yet; until it gets enough notability should remain as a redirect. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect: This team already participated in the Nepal T20 League and have many coverage article about it yet, redirect until tournament and others team announced and have enough coverage to pass notability.Godknowme1 (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect: This team competes in Nepal top tier professional league and also has already competed in the Nepal T20 League and have many coverage related to the article in Nepal's media. So, the article shouldn't be deletedMadeshirky8 (talk) 03:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Entertainers Cricket League T10

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. The creator of these articles, who have had 94% per cent of their articles deleted, really need their WP:COMPETENCE questioned. AA (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete doesn't meet WP:GNG. WP:NOTINHERITED applies here- just because some people playing are borderline notable, that doesn't make the tournament itself notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Ahmedabad Rockets

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Not enough coverage; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

There's also the following articles,

Chandigarh Lions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Chennai Superstars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Dhaka Warriors (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Delhi Giants (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hyderabad Heroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Royal Bengal Tigers (sports team) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Lahore Badshahs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Mumbai Champs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Comment Might be perfect candidates for collection in a List of Indian Cricket League teams. This would mean a merge all to such a list. Geschichte (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete all. I did ponder a redirect, but this event was so long ago, do people really remember the names of the teams which took part? I know I didn't! So I thought it was unlikely people would search for them in 2024. AA (talk) 13:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Founded and dissolved same year 2008. Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSPORT. RangersRus (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

John Gramlick

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Fails WP:NBASIC. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 22:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Nothing that supports its own article, the relevant information about the subject is the competition created by him. Svartner (talk) 00:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete: not enough coverage to establish notablity for a standalone article. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary), @Svartner and Vestrian24Bio: The article for the Challenge Cup seems maybe to be an important part of the history of football for the region, although severely under-sourced. My recommendation would a redirect to the article, as he is mentioned there and it's pretty much already whats on this article. Your thoughts? Regards, Govvy (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Agree with Redirect. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

He doesn't seem to have any relevance as a search term. Svartner (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect seems fair. AA (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary): per Govvy's rationale. Sir MemeGod  22:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

ICL 20s World Series 2008–09

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Not enough coverage on reliable independent sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

There's also the following with the same condition...

ICL 20-20 Indian Championship 2008–09 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ICL 20-20 Indian Championship 2007–08 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ICL 20s Grand Championship 2007–08 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ICL 20s World Series 2007–08 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete all per nom. No WP:LASTING impact either. AA (talk) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete ALL. The world series started on 23 November in 2008 and canceled three days. Series has no lasting impact and no significant coverage. All the others listed in this AFD fails WP:SIGCOV and had no notable significance. RangersRus (talk) 14:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete all no WP:SUSTAINED coverage, so separate season articles are not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Kerala Cricket League

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Not enough coverage on independent sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Per nom. AA (talk) 10:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Maharashtra Premier League

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Another domestic league with not enough coverage on independent reliable source; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete and salt. Virtually nothing has changed from the first AfD, so per nom. Should also be salted to deter more recreations following this AfD (provided the result is delete, of course). AA (talk) 11:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete and salt nothing has change since I nominated this for AFD successfully last year. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

2023 Maharashtra Premier League

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Another domestic event with not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. The parent article isn't notable, and by extension this isn't either. AA (talk) 12:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kerala Cricket League

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Not enough coverage on independent sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Non-notable league which doesn't meet the wider inclusion guidelines of WP:OFFCRIC, let alone WP:GNG. AA (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Legends League Cricket

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Keep As I previously commented that the page should not be deleted because this is known cricket league. And In this all are international cricket players. And this is the main page of league not season page and also old league. I think it should be not be deleted because a lot of news references are available.
PQR01 (talk) 04:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
You didn't actually contribute at the last AFD (at least not as this logged in user). But WP:NOTINHERITED applies- just because notable people compete, that doesn't make this event notable. If you didn't like that it was deleted, WP:Deletion review would have been the proper process, not re-creating the article and thus forcing another AFD. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
For the record, the previous comment PQR01 is referring to is on the talk page of the article. -- asilvering (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete and salt as per my rationale at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Legends League Cricket. Nothing has changed in the 1 month since the last AFD, and re-creating an article after a clear AFD consensus like this is just disruptive. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
There is a sockpuppet investigation here, as I am sure many, if not all, of these accounts are linked. AA (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete - As per above rationale. Simione001 (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep I think the league is quite notable as it's the most watched league in India after IPL as per BARC with reference to the news. Also the league was started back in 2022 and from then, a total of 4 seasons have happened and the 5th season is about to start from 20th September. The league is approved by Oman & Qatar cricket associations & several state associations in India. Taplow45 (talk) 08:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
So that's a lot of personal opinion... where's the WP:GNG, WP:OFFCRIC, WP:EVENT pass? AA (talk) 10:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep: Seems noteworthy , covered in other news sources as well. Although, article should be improved to include a bit more info such as champions, scorecards, stats etc. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify: Move to mainspace once the article is complete and ready. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Big Legends play and it has continuously grown in stature. Lot of media attention shows that fans want to know about the league thus i think it should be on Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendaryFan88 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Thats a good point. Move the page to main space 103.70.152.141 (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The above and below keeps should be discarded as they are likely sockpuppets. I have added LegendaryFan88 to an ongoing sockpuppet investigation... curious isn't it, that LegendaryFan88 has made a handful of edits yet stumbles across this AfD. AA (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep It seems like someone has an agenda against the league for not having got a chance to work with them. One of the comments shows that an agency is supporting the author. This league is creating jobs for retired cricketers and other staff. And it is visible on top sports networks across the world. Thus i feel it should have a Wiki page for dissemination of information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.141 (talk) 09:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete: The creator of the page, along with the associated pro-page IDs and IPs, clearly shows signs of WP:UPE. Also, the page focuses on a cricket league filled with retired players, making it seem more like a promotional one. Charlie (talk) 06:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Also, the so-called league is not run by a sports governing body or organization, but by a company named Absolute Legends Sports Pvt. Ltd. This highlights that it is not primarily a cricket league to begin with. This information should be taken into consideration until and unless it's proven otherwise. Charlie (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Dávid Petrík

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The article of this young Slovak men's footballer has been tagged for notability for two years. He played a total of 378 minutes in the Slovakia's highest league to date. In terms of reliable secondary sources, I only found passing mentions from squad list, such as Ref 1 and Ref 2). Consider that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their countries, I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Estonia national youth football team

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I do not believe that the subject of this article satisfies notability guidelines. A cursory search did not turn up reliable independent sources that could be used to improve it. Even looking beyond that, the article in its current state appears to be entirely deserted, consisting mainly of empty tables. It is debatable how relevant this information would be anyway as per WP:NOTDB. ElooB (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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comment Estonian Football Association pages for these U18 U16 U15. I'm not sure why these articles are grouped together as there is no 1 youth team, all of them are different teams. I rather see them seperately. So I'm not gonna argue they have notability in this discussion. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
@ElooB: I made it into disam page such as England national youth football team, Belgium national youth football team, Poland national youth football team, Scotland national youth football team, Spain national youth football team, Sweden national youth football team. I say keep it as disam. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep per Pelmeen, and to match similar articles. Giant Snowman 13:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

FC Barcelona–Manchester United F.C. rivalry

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article fails to even explain the actual existence of any purported rivalry, nevermind one that is notable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Weak delete. the article could be sourced better, with this BBC article being one, but past that, I can't find anymore sources past head to head pages. SparklessPlug (talk | contribs) 13:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. The NYT source is good, but not enough. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Enough with these head to head articles, too many of them. There is certainly coverage, but how we use sources and what we do with the content is one thing. You do get rivalries like Spurs-Arsenal, Manchester Derby, the Madrid derby, however, this one. I don't think it really counts. Govvy (talk) 13:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Dmitri Pestryakov

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Russian footballer. Seems like the article creator moved the draft to the mainspace. JTtheOG (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Chong Tsun

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG after using different search terms in different scripts, which is understandable as he has seemingly played one game. Sources in the articles are databases and social medias. JTtheOG (talk) 01:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Lily Dent

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WP:TOOSOON for an article at the moment. All I found were routine transactional announcements (1, 2, 3, 4, etc.). JTtheOG (talk) 23:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Not finding the needed coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Agree with WP:TOOSOON here. Let'srun (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Wang Xin (footballer)

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Played 6 minutes in the Chinese Super League, 15 minutes in the semi-pro Danish second tier, some more games in China League Two according to Soccerway. I don't see enough for fulfilling WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Zhong Juzhan

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Played 4 games in China League One, a few more in China League Two. I don't think this is enough for WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete A relatively short career. Has not played top professional level. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 04:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Daniel Jubani

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6 games in Albania’s highest league, continued in the semi-pro second tier before playing one last season in the Kategoria Superiore. I couldn't find any sources to make this person meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. This is too brief, and this is too reliant on quotes, 2 of the 3 sections about Jubani are exclusively made up of quotes. Geschichte (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Albert Kaçiku

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Never played in Albania’s highest league, only that of Kosovo, as well as the semi-pro second tier in Albania and Austrian Regionalliga. What I find is either way too short , not really about him or the usual database and social media hits. There is one articles with a tendency towards significance, which is this. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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FK Sloboda Čačak

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Serbian football club fails WP:GNG. This article was deleted under WP:A7 almost 10 years ago, and it has only recently been undeleted. GTrang (talk) 03:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment It was undeleted for a reason, did you bother to find out why and see if that person who request can improve the article? Govvy (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep, being a third-tier club it seems reasonably well established and integrated in Serbian football. Geschichte (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep I agree with Geschichte. — Sadko (words are wind) 12:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. It is notable due to its existence for over 70 years. Karol739 (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. The points above are valid, but without sources they are meaningless. Giant Snowman 13:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Li Xiang (footballer, born 1989)

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I had difficulty finding any sources in English. The current article doesn't even list number of appearances. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Would reconsider if there are decent sources in Chinese. LibStar (talk) 05:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: per WP:NATHLETE, they don't seem to have done anything notable or are mentioned in many sources. Sir MemeGod  12:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Yun Il-gwang

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Football at the 2014 Asian Games – Men's team squads#North Korea as ATD, where his name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 13:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Kim Mu-gil

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Could find no sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 04:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#North Korea as ATD where his name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Närkes Kils SK

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Very strong keep: List or not. Bolletinen has one of the strongest sports online databases in Swedish. J 1982 (talk) 07:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: It will be great if you can help add some references in Swedish to improve the article and prove the club's notability! Lâm (talk) 08:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Kian Breckin

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Bringing this here for discussion since Draft:Kian Breckin and Draft:Kian Breckin (footballer) had been declined on multiple occasions, and the editor who created the mainspace version has some problematic creations. I feel like this needs discussion to see if Breckin is notable. Star Mississippi 20:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG and this version is better than the others as it contains at least one example of WP:SIGCOV and passes under the WP:NSPORT due to the other coverage. EnglishDude98 21:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
NB that EnglishDude98 has since been indeffed for repeatedly creating non-notable footballer articles... Giant Snowman 16:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep I believe a few sources go beyond the general routine coverage and discuss details about him. Enough for WP:BASIC. And he is playing games. Govvy (talk) 08:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – A year later and there is still no SIGCOV just routine transfer stories. Dougal18 (talk) 14:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

2022 Kirin Cup Soccer squads

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We typically don't keep squads from the many invitational or smaller-scale tournaments around the world. I found some precedents for deletion here, here, here and here, and others too I'm sure. Geschichte (talk) 19:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to 2022 Kirin Cup Soccer. Lâm (talk) 08:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Not worth merging. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete and oppose merging, as the squad lists are just indiscriminate information. The squad list article clearly fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Khoan Soben

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No WP:SIGCOV for this Cambodian footballer; result is the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Kong Lyhour

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No WP:SIGCOV to be found for this footballer; fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Kristína Košíková

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak women's footballer. The only secondary source I found is an interview, but nothing else to pass WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Portuguese football in 2006–07 UEFA competitions

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Content should be merged to 2006–07 in Portuguese football, not notable as its own topic. No other similar articles in this variety exist. WP:NOTSTATS also applies. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge per nom. Giant Snowman 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge I was initially going to say delete as a WP:CONTENTFORK of three club's seasons but that's a better idea. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Turkish football clubs in European competitions 1990–1999

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WP:NOTSTATS applies. Article contains no prose/context, no references, and no relevant external links. It's just pure statistics, and adds no value. Useful information that is better contextualized is already available at Turkish football clubs in European competitions. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Merge per nom. Giant Snowman 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Ahn Seok-ho

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No indication of meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, tagged as BLP lacking sources for 15 years. PROD has been tried before. Geschichte (talk) 07:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Kang Dong-gu

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Short career in the K-league, some games in semi-pro lower divisions. Geschichte (talk) 07:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Cai Haojian

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played a couple of minutes in the Chinese Super League, as well as a loan in the third league. Sources are WP:ROUTINE and I don't see anything else that can help it pass. Geschichte (talk) 07:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Persikasa Sarolangun

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Fails WP:GNG guidelines, and I can find no non-passing coverage. Will retract if sources are found. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Julia Arnold (footballer)

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No evidence or claim of notability. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and Julia Arnold played in the 2022–23 DFB-Pokal Frauen final. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per GiantSnowman. This article should be notable. Karol739 (talk) 08:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment - She is also an artist 1 (page 8 and 9) 2 (page 4 and 5). Dougal18 (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per sources in article which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

2024–25 Taça da Liga

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Disputed draftification. Draftify until something happens, like the event at all. WP:TOOSOON 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 16:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Support draftify as an ATD as this is TOOSOON. There is no SIGCOV of this event to satisfy N. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Have you done a WP:BEFORE talking about the SIGCOV, in the language most associated with the tournament? May 2023 article on new format May 2024 article on entrants Article four days ago on fixtures . I've never heard that articles on tournaments have to be hidden away before they actually start, and doing so with a month to go seems like a waste of everyone's effort. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep and improve by adding references. The tournament is clearly notable. In my opinion, it's not a WP:TOOSOON since the matchups were determinated for the first round of the tournament, so there are some useful contents in the article. Lâm (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep I don't get this nomination, it's the equivalent of the EFL Cup in Portugal. There are sources online, have you even done a WP:BEFORE? , , . Sorry, but this is a pathetic nomination and you should be WP:TROUTed. Govvy (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Speed keep – Competition just over a month away from being started, article created within the expected time. Svartner (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep - ongoing national tournament, clearly notable, bad nomination. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Speedy keep - Just improve the article. No need to draftify. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Speedy keep - We have sources about the new format, the final location and the fixtures. Why remove this from view until it starts in a month's time? Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium

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Unable to find any sources conferring notability. Most mentions in any sources appear trivial. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 15:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Venues of the 2022 Asian Games#Outside Hangzhou

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Redirect – Per Lâm. Svartner (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhang, Bin 张斌; Jin, Lu 金璐 (2023-09-16). "（杭州亚运会）浙江金华亚运场馆：草坪像"毛毯"，灯光会"跳舞"" (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "9月19日，金华市体育中心体育场和浙江师范大学东体育场将迎来杭州亚运会第一轮足球小组赛的对阵。浙江师范大学东体育场同样经过改造，其草坪用肉眼看上去十分平整，实际上却是中间高、两侧低，有千分之三的坡度以防止雨季草坪积水。为此，工作人员在铺草时还运用卫星定位系统来确保精确。据工作人员介绍，金华市体育中心的体育馆和体育场所用灯具与杭州亚运会主场馆“大莲花”同款，这些LED灯有着节能环保电费省、坚固耐用寿命长、光线柔和无频闪、色彩丰富造型多等诸多优点。"
  From Google Translate: "On 19 September, the Jinhua Sports Center Stadium and the Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium will welcome the first round of the Hangzhou Asian Games football group match. The Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium has also been renovated. Its lawn looks very flat to the naked eye, but in fact it is high in the middle and low on both sides, with a slope of 0.3% to prevent water accumulation in the lawn during the rainy season. For this reason, the staff also used the satellite positioning system to ensure accuracy when laying the grass. According to the staff, the lamps used in the gymnasium and stadium of Jinhua Sports Center are the same as the "Big Lotus" main stadium of the Hangzhou Asian Games. These LED lamps have many advantages such as energy saving and environmental protection, low electricity bills, durability and long life, soft light without flicker, rich colors and many shapes."
2. Zhang, Feng 张峰 (2023-01-09). "亚运新景观丨3个城市，8座比赛球场，杭州亚运会足球赛，你准备去哪看" . Qianjiang Evening News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Toutiao.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场将承担3场男足小组赛和1场女足小组赛。项目改造提升涉及足球天然草坪、球场照明系统、扩声系统、功能用房、电视转播系统等方面，最多可容纳12241名观众同时观赛。主席台一侧座椅为亮红色，对侧橘黄色座椅中，还镶嵌着白色的四个英文字母：ZJNU，这是浙江师范大学英文的首字母，是浙师范的专属印记。足球场的天然草坪达到国家一级场地认证标准，采用了全自动天然草坪种植层APP远程监控系统，能对各项数值做到全时监控和预警。场馆还有智能灯控系统的一键启动，球场照明系统照度可达2000lux，是现有足球场地照明标准的最高级别。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University will host 3 men's football group matches and 1 women's football group match. The project renovation and upgrading involves the natural football turf, stadium lighting system, sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, TV broadcasting system and other aspects, and can accommodate up to 12,241 spectators at the same time. The seats on one side of the rostrum are bright red, and the orange seats on the opposite side are inlaid with four white English letters: ZJNU, which are the first letters of Zhejiang Normal University in English and the exclusive mark of Zhejiang Normal University. The natural turf of the football field meets the national first-level field certification standards, and adopts a fully automatic natural turf planting layer APP remote monitoring system, which can monitor and warn all values at all times. The venue also has a one-button start of the intelligent lighting control system, and the illumination of the stadium lighting system can reach 2000lux, which is the highest level of existing football field lighting standards."
3. Dong, Yixin 董易鑫; Ji, Junlei 季俊磊 (2022-04-16). "杭州亚运会足球小组赛赛场草坪：每周"理发"约两次" (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "位于金华的浙江师范大学东体育场将举行杭州亚运会足球小组赛，这里的草坪更新养护工作便由沈伟宏主要负责。这里种植的草坪是特殊培育的品种，草皮下面的铺设结构大致可以分为喷灌系统、排水盲管、砾石层、无纺布、约10厘米的中粗砂层、营养土(种植土)等。据悉，这块草坪目前的色泽密度均一性、张力、平整度、渗水率、球的反弹率及滚动速度等各项检测数据均已具备承接国际赛事的资格。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University in Jinhua will host the Hangzhou Asian Games football group matches. Shen Weihong is mainly responsible for the lawn renewal and maintenance work here. The lawn planted here is a specially cultivated variety. The laying structure under the turf can be roughly divided into sprinkler irrigation system, drainage blind pipe, gravel layer, non-woven fabric, about 10 cm of medium-coarse sand layer, nutrient soil (planting soil), etc. It is reported that the current testing data of this lawn such as color density uniformity, tension, flatness, water permeability, ball rebound rate and rolling speed are all qualified to host international events."
4. "心心相融杭州亞運之旅系列：浙江金華傳統與現代交相輝映" . Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2023-10-08. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江師範大學東體育場：足球這場館總建築面積8,391平方米，在改造提升過程中，從足球場天然草坪、球場照明系統到擴聲系統、功能用房、電視轉播系統，都嚴格執行「綠色、智能、節儉、文明」的辦賽理念，足球場天然草坪達到國家一級場地認證標準，塑膠跑道達到中國田徑協會一類場地認證。"
  From Google Translate: "Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium: Football The stadium has a total construction area of 8,391 square meters. During the renovation and upgrading process, the "green, smart, frugal, and civilized" policies were strictly implemented from the natural lawn of the football field, the stadium lighting system to the sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, and television broadcast systems. According to the concept of hosting games, the natural lawn of the football field has reached the national first-level venue certification standard, and the plastic track has reached the first-level venue certification of the Chinese Athletics Association."
5. Jiang, Xiaolai 江小来 (2023-03-28). "杭州亚运场馆show丨浙江师范大学东体育场" . Zhejiang Online (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场为亚运会足球项目比赛场馆，位于金华市婺城区，在金华亚运分村西北方向且相距约7.1公里。... 总建筑面积8391平方米，观众席位数11349个。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University is the venue for the Asian Games football event. It is located in Wucheng District, Jinhua City, about 7.1 kilometers northwest of the Jinhua Asian Games Village. ... The total construction area is 8,391 square meters, with 11,349 seats."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium (simplified Chinese: 浙江师范大学东体育场; traditional Chinese: 浙江師範大學東體育場) to pass Knowledge (XXG):Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Shunkun Tani

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His claim to notability, playing 5 matches in the Japanese third league as well as some amateur competitions, is very weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment What about the sources on ja:谷俊勲 ? Did you check them out? Govvy (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Shunsuke Sunaga

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His claim to notability, playing 18 matches in Singapore, is weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Shun Kumagai

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His claim to notability, playing 154 minutes in the J League and 12 matches in Singapore, is weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak Delete While it seems like some sources could exist in languages other than English / Japanese where I can’t find them given that I don’t speak Chinese or Cambodian, the sources existing on the English and Japanese pages don’t seem to be enough to give notability, nor can I find any. Given his downwards movement through leagues it doesn’t seem likely though. Absurdum4242 (talk) 06:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Obed Yeboah

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Non-notable football player. Completely lacking WP:RS, and none would likely exist. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 06:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Ortizesp: Where? Cabrils (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Coverage is nearly all from his club. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete I don't see it and I had a five minute look on google. Question to Ortizesp where on earth do you see significant coverage?? Govvy (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Tony Yeboah, where I just added him, per CHEAP and ATD. Not proven to be individually notable. It would be great if everyone can get behind this compromise. Pinging all previous participants in the debate: Ortizesp, Govvy, GiantSnowman, and Cabrils. gidonb (talk) 00:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I would be content with this re-direct, good suggestion @Gidonb. Cabrils (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm fine with a redirect. Giant Snowman 10:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

MP Port Dickson F.C.

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No-notable sports club. Fails WP:NTEAM, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 05:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Kim Kyong-il (footballer, born 1988)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 13:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to 2010 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea where his name is mentioned. Corresponding article on Korean Knowledge (XXG) is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect per above. Lâm (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Ribiyanda Saswadimata

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Replacement of PROD; played youth nationally, but only played 68 minutes with the Eunos Crescent. Might fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Roasted (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Clearly fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete, an above average failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 04:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Liberia at the Africa Cup of Nations

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All sources provided are match reports. And very little, if any, of the information here cannot be found in the Liberia national football team article and the two individual AFCONs in which Liberia appeared. Anwegmann (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep – Need improvements, but it is a remarkable period for the Liberia national team. Also follows the same pattern as similar articles. Svartner (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep – established article type, see Category:Countries at the Africa Cup of Nations; needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 17:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep – Article can be expanded upon. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Connall Ewan

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found some routine transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and interviews (1, 2, 3), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 06:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Griffin Tomas

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of this soccer player in independent sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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a quick little google search will tell you that he's played in two usl championship matches. omg i hate stupid people like you... -Soccerfan10001 — Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Please be WP:CIVIL. Also, playing in USL Championship matches has no relevance to WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Spiderone 16:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Couldn't care less about your "civil" stuff mate, also go look at any other player with at least one usl champ/league one appearance, they have a page. Ex: Scott DeVoss, Klisman Sousa, A. J. Valenzuela, Noah Abrams, and a bunch more. You gonna go waste time and delete those too? - Soccerfan10001 — Preceding undated comment added 04:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Husam Hourani

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect - To 1984 AFC Asian Cup squads#Syria

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. He played at two tournaments, so which do we redirect to??? Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Per Giant Snowman. Svartner (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yang Song-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Felix Goddard

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage, just stats/routine news. Giant Snowman 19:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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It’s got significant coverage from what I can see. Stop pointlessly tagging pages for deletion - becoming quite pathetic now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:59C9:B142:4513:9C80 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Stop editing from your IP, EnglishDude. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep. I see at least one example of WP:SIGCOV in a reliable source (Straits Times - ironically it's from the very beginning of his career) and that's enough combined with other coverage for a WP:NSPORT pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
One source is not enough. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
It is for WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Incorrect - it says that "an athlete is likely to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources" (my emphasis). Giant Snowman 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
"Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
"at least one" - and that even doing that "does not indicate notability". Giant Snowman 20:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - Not seeing enough coverage. One article from the Strait Times mentioned above is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:NSPORT is a little looser than WP:GNG. Unlike with GNG, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Combine the one article with the extensive non-SIGCOV available, it's a pass on the SNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Li Dong-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Log/2024 September 17. —_{Talk to my owner:Online} 01:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Kim Kyong-il (footballer, born 1970)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect - To 1992 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Robert Bottini

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France as possible search term.

Gustave Ducousso

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Another football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like Olympedia. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Tobiáš Diviš

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. He only played 48 matches in lower leagues. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: The correct facts are 23 matches in Slovakia's highest league and 30 in the second league. Geschichte (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Lucas Sant

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. (I would draftify, but a draft already exists - which can be incubated until the subject is ready for mainspace). Paul W (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Draft Send to draft space, possibly notable in the future, but not seeing it at the moment. Govvy (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
A draft already exists, Govvy - hence the AfD here. Paul W (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
This version is better, histmerge this one to draft and SALT until it's in good state. Govvy (talk) 12:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. NB that article creator has a long history of creating articles in mainspace that are already in draft... Giant Snowman 19:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Alexis Scholl

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The claim to notability, playing 66 minutes in the second league of Portugal, is extremely weak. There are some sources, but they seem like WP:ROUTINE transactional news: . These two might be more substantial, but are paywalled: . Perhaps someone can access them? Either way, his achievements were so minor that I don't think it meets the policies. Geschichte (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Armenis Kukaj

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23 games in Albania’s highest league, brief career in the semi-pro second tier. I am unable to find significant coverage of the player, which would be needed to satisfy WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I only found this as well as this, where the news outlet bears the Wordpress logo, i.e. looks like a blog. Geschichte (talk) 03:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: per WP:GNG. Sir MemeGod  15:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Clearly does not pass the notability criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

John Gramlick

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Fails WP:NBASIC. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 22:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Nothing that supports its own article, the relevant information about the subject is the competition created by him. Svartner (talk) 00:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete: not enough coverage to establish notablity for a standalone article. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary), @Svartner and Vestrian24Bio: The article for the Challenge Cup seems maybe to be an important part of the history of football for the region, although severely under-sourced. My recommendation would a redirect to the article, as he is mentioned there and it's pretty much already whats on this article. Your thoughts? Regards, Govvy (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Agree with Redirect. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

He doesn't seem to have any relevance as a search term. Svartner (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect seems fair. AA (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary): per Govvy's rationale. Sir MemeGod  22:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Aniq Raushan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 5 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Aiman Zavyan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 298 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete fails GNG and Sportcrit. Sources won't help much. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hariysh Krishnakumar

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 168 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 00:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Shahrulnizam Mazlan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 10 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Gaziosmanpaşaspor

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Talk page suggests it be considered for deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, no reason to delete. Third-level club with lots of coverage during many years. Geschichte (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep per Geschichte, needs improving not deleting. Giant Snowman 18:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep – Per Geschichte. Svartner (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Probably keep Although I find it a little odd I wasn't so good at finding the best sources, but again just because there are no sources on an article, doesn't mean they don't exist. Perfect example of WP:NEXIST. Govvy (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Plenty of coverage by news and other publications, some of which are on Google Books and Scholar Aintabli (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk

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New sources are either from the league in which he plays or are basic WP:ROUTINE coverage about a specific game with no meaningful coverage of the player himself. This is not WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

The new sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) have nothing to do with the league (UPL) in which Pshenychnyuk plays, and imho they are not something like WP:ROUTINE coverage. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - I've reviewed the new sources and none of them show significant coverage. Sport.ua confirms that he scored his first goal and that he is a midfielder but the rest is pure Q&A with no independent analysis. UA-Football confirms his age and number of appearances and then copies and pastes the same Q&A from the previous source, so is also not sufficient. Spiderone 18:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I think the most important thing about a source according to WP:SIGCOV is not evidence of notability, but rather sufficient and significant coverage on the topic. Imho the source provides it. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep - The source provides information about the importance of the goal scored by the player. In addition, there is information about the player's technical skills that he used to score. The article also provides statistical information about the player. The importance of the victory the team acquired through the player's goal is also mentioned. In my opinion the source presents a compact but good analysis that can be considered as significant coverage. Adding the other two sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) to the source gives, in my opinion, sufficient and significant coverage here. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Sourcing deeply insufficient for GNG. Routine match reports never count towards notability, and that is definitely what the handful of sources here are. JoelleJay (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
There are other sources (for example source-1, source-2, source-3) that I think provide the GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify – If the creator Web-wiki-warrior agree to submit this time. I see good faith in the creation of the article, but the notability of the sources still raises doubts. Svartner (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm not necessarily questioning good faith here, as it's certainly not bad faith, but the creator's understanding of what is significant and meaningful coverage is deeply, deeply flawed, and this has been shown over several articles/AfDs now. I think submission should be an absolute minimum for any kind of draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Please provide an example of what you think is sufficient and significant coverage when it comes to an wikipedia article about a football player. 80.149.46.228 (talk) 08:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

See this example of significant coverage for Leah Williamson. Spiderone 16:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

This is an excellent example. Thank you. Anwegmann (talk) 23:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Spiderone: Thank you for example, but that doesn't lead me to think that at least following sources (source-1, source-2, source-3) don't provide WP:SIGCOV about Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

They are just passing mentions from what I can read... ಠ_ಠ ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong ... 1. The sources I mentioned/provided (source-1, source-2, source-3) are not passing mentions. 2. I don't think you can read Ukrainian, so in this context, I don't think you can judge 100% whether the content of the sources mentioned above provides WP:SIGCOV or not. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

General question: Is an interview (for example at least for 30 Minutes) with the football player that was published as a YouTube video considered as sufficient and significant coverage? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete as per last AFD. I really don't see potential as a draft since almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong again if we take a closer look at your sentence "almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for". Pshenychnyuk plays for Ukrainian Premier League side FC Chornomorets Odesa. If you don't know the team doesn't mean nobody outside Ukraine knows the club he plays for. If we take a look at Knowledge (XXG) article FC Chornomorets Odesa (it's the club Pshenychnyuk plays for), we can see that article is provided by 37 languages. Furthermore, it is not a criterion of WP:SIGCOV whether someone outside Ukraine knows/doesn't know football teams from the Ukrainian Premier League. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 06:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Jung Sang-hoon (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 4 minutes in the KLeague and some in lower divisions, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Chen Tao (footballer, born 1995)

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The claim to notability, playing 17 minutes in the Chinese Super League and 9 games in China League Two, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that – being WP:ROUTINE, match reports or not about him – and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Arens Mateli

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, played 30 minutes in Albania's highest league and a handful of games in Kosovo. All the sources I could find were databases, social media, trivial mentions and a number of WP:ROUTINE transactional announcements: Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete as it fails to pass the notability criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 06:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Mario Johnson

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Playing 1 international match for a very small country is not a credible claim to notability anymore. I cannot find any additional sources about this guy, although there are many other Mario Johnsons spread across the English-speaking world. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 10:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

2024–25 Iraq Stars League squads

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This type of squad overview for a league in a specific season isn't really a thing Knowledge (XXG) does. It therefore fails WP:NOT. Geschichte (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per consensus at a very similar AfD Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/2023 Myanmar National League squads Spiderone 10:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom, this is overkill, does WP:NOSTATS apply to this? Govvy (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep will be updated constantly, more sources will be available as the league commences (clubs will announce squads etc.) as evidence of notability, although I understand that Knowledge (XXG) doesn't have such pages A1lfcIRQ (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete as per previous consensuses not to have these sort of squad articles for football seasons. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Jack Moore (footballer, born 2003)

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PROD removed by article creator, no reason given. No significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping. Giant Snowman 20:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Once again this page is not "pretty much match reports and stats sites"!

Please check the sources and READ the article as well as sources before making false statements about another one of my pages EnglishDude98 (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

It is made up of one more type of source: primary sources. In general that means sources created by himself, his family, his employer or his association - in this case, all news published by his own club are primary. They can be used, but do not provide notability for a subject. Geschichte (talk) 05:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Exactly - where is the significant coverage? The fact that @EnglishDude98: does not understand notability requirements remains concerning. Giant Snowman 06:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment The article shouldn't have been Prod'ed in the first place, because there are multiple citations in play, all-be-it mostly primary, makes it not an article you can PROD. There are some secondary sources on there, but many people call them routine coverage. @EnglishDude98: I suggest you read through WP:V and try and find those sources which users today would call WP:SIGCOV. Regards. Govvy (talk) 09:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Will check later, thanks for the help and advice in this matter @Govvy EnglishDude98 (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Why does an article having multiple sources mean you can't PROD it? Giant Snowman 14:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
The difference between complicated and uncomplicated, a page with multiple sources will always be challenged, 90% of admins will reject a prod like that. Prod is for straight forward simple deletions. Govvy (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
No, it is for an uncontroversial deletion, which is not the same thing at all. Giant Snowman 15:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Nothing even close to approaching IRS SIGCOV, and there is no point in draftifying something that has no hope of sourcing appearing in the near future. The current page has 15 citations to his club/league (not independent and not secondary), 6 citations to stats pages (not secondary, not SIGCOV), and 4 citations to utterly routine match reports, none of which contain even a sentence on Moore. JoelleJay (talk) 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete per JoelleJay statement. Footballer with a very common birth name, making it difficult to find significant coverage for this one. I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Draft I am going to say draft with the hope that he could come notable, he is only 20 years old, I don't see why it can't be worked on in draft space. Govvy (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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2014 AC Nagano Parceiro season

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Fails WP:GNG. Severe lack of sources and content. The only reference is from a primary source. EpicAdventurer (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. Creator is globally locked. The page is not great, but is a part of a series of 2014 J3-League club seasons. Geschichte (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I agree, it’s part of an entire series of articles for the different Japanese football leagues which not only tracks the competitions year by year, but the teams too. Cutting out a single article in the series seems like it would break up the series for no good reason, when the information itself is super clearly presented, and threaded, in a way I haven’t been able to find anywhere else online.

In my opinion deleting it would take away something useful. For that reason, I have the page a solid edit tonight. I’ve still got to go ahead and add match report links to each individual game, but I think I at least covered the basics.

This is such a useful resource that I’m going to make it a mission to pick through all the rest of the articles in the series one by one, and expand / source each of those as well. So it would be really nice if you didn’t delete this one article as I’m doing that…

Vote to keep. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep Sorry, new to this, didn’t realise I should have made a * and bolded my keep recommendation until I reread the guide again just now. Mea Culpa.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep or Draftify - Significant sources have been added and an editor has expressed interest in expanding further. At minimum, move to draft to give editor time to continue to improve. Chris1834 Talk 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Obviously I’m not voting again, having already voted, but I’ll further explain my reasoning having spent the duration of this deletion discussion attempting to edit the article into compliance.

As the article stood when nominated (by a user who has since quit, after having several of his articles similar to this one likewise nominated for deletion / draftified, but then kept - having made “why are mine deleted when there are articles like these” type arguments), it completely lacked sources and content. The nomination was a fair cop. Since the nomination though, I’ve found and cited several sources, reworked the article in ways which I believe both clearly lay out the season, and that prove there was significant coverage in Reliable, Independent, Secondary sources, with the likelihood of there being more sources out there which I have not yet found (searching in Japanese, my second language, slows things down, but this was the first full season in a newly formed professional competition in a major developed country - the chance of there not being more sources that I just haven’t found yet is basically zero.

I would like to just remind people voting that the criteria is that sources proving notability are likely to exist, not that they are cited in the article as currently written. The appropriate policy is

- “ Notability requires only that suitable independent, reliable sources exist in the real world; it does not require their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any.”

I am not accusing anyone of arguing for deletion in bad faith, I think we are all trying to do what is right here, but I would like to ask anyone leaning towards deletion to ask themselves whether it is in part because they are not interested in the topic of the article, and don’t really consider foreign language sources to count when judging reliability on an English Knowledge (XXG) page.

I’m going to keep poking away at the article, searching for more sources, and editing if I have time, and honestly I think that efforts to gradually improve the article is a better way to approach this rather than deletion, but I’ll leave that up to you guys now that I’ve said my piece. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Duong Thanh Tung

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep - I think for this player does pass WP:GNG with all the articles in Vietnam's big football journals about him. He recently signed a pro contract with a club in Vietnam's highest division, and is registred in the squad for the league. His pro debut will only be a matter of time. Lâm (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

As I wrote, the sources used do not document his notability. Wiki is not a player database and a few possible starts for a professional club won't change anything about that. This player has not accomplished anything yet, and we are not predicting from a crystal ball whether he will ever accomplish anything. The page can be created in a few years, when he has dozens of starts, and it will be written about something other than his first pro contract. FromCzech (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Weak delete—Appears to fail WP:GNG, although there is certainly a career that may be documented and/or documentable. Anwegmann (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment – The article has some sources in Vietnamese, have they been checked? Svartner (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
The article from Bóng Đá Plus provides a significant coverage about the player, detailing his family background, career, and playing style. Additionally, there's also the article from Dân Việt that also gives a resume of his career and his playing style.It's worth noting that the player recently signed with the runners-up of the previous season in Vietnam's top football division. This significant move, in my opinion, justifies why a player from low-tier Czech teams deserves a Knowledge (XXG) article. Lâm (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:SPORTSPERSON: Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability. WP:SUSTAINED: There have been reports of him entering professional football, but that's not enough as he may not make it. I would recommend to draftify the page and consider renewing the article in a year, in two, depending on career development and other media reports. FromCzech (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Draftify - As proposed by @FromCzech sounds the better solution. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Draftify - Looks like he could hit GNG eventually but not quite there. Chris1834 Talk 19:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
As suggested above as well, I would be okay with draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Andrej Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability in any way. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment – He's actually quite well-known in Vietnam, due to his call up to the Vietnam national under-23 football team. There are a lot of articles about him in Vietnamese, which I believe do pass the WP:GNG. But as you mentioned, he did not have a single game in a professional football competition, and also no appearance for Vietnam youth national teams. I see this article as WP:TOOSOON . I think a draft is the best solution. Lâm (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Like a single call-up to the U23 preliminary squad will make you famous in Vietnam? LOL. A draft is a reasonable option. FromCzech (talk) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, his case is particular. He was one the first Vietnamese diaspora player playing abroad to get a call up to the national youth team. That explains why he got a lot of attention of the media Lâm (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Thplam2004: Could you link here to some of the biggest articles about him? That can help editors decide his notability. --SuperJew (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

This article from Tiền Phong covered completely his family background, his career and his journey to get called up Vietnam U23 team. There are so many articles covering the player such as 2 , 3 , 4 and many more. In fact he was called up to the Vietnam national team in September 2023 but he withdrew the call up (source) Lâm (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete—Fails WP:GNG without enough of a career to assume the existence of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep as the references cover the player significantly and surely passes WP:GNG. However, what make me consider is that the player doesn't have much of a career, but the fact that he got call up to the Vietnam national football team makes it valid to keep this article. What do you guys think? Lâm (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Just repeating myself, but passing GNG criteria is not confirmation of notability, and we are talking about youth team, not a senior team, and about a preliminary squad as he withdrew the call up, not a final nomination. And this is a one year old event; since then, he has not appeared anywhere. Given that no one was in favor of keep in the discussion before the relisting, a consensus is being sought whether to draft or delete. FromCzech (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete: I wouldn't call this WP:TOOSOON as no WP:SIGCOV existed. In a general view, the article doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO and seeing that no coverage has ever existed, turning into a draft wouldn't help either. Pls delete entirely and went a little notability is sensed, an editor may commence from scratch or request the previous deleted information. Safari Scribe 04:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Kim Jong-min (footballer, born 1947)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep - played at the Olympics and managed the national team, clearly notable - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep and Improve per GiantSnowman. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: as per GiantSnowman. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

2022–23 Kapfenberger SV season

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season article for second tier austrian side. has not been updated since before the season started and is clearly unfit for mainspace. I find no evidence that such an article could pass WP:GNG but should others disagree, moving to draftspace may be more appropriate. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they are also not currently fit for mainspace and show no evidence of notability:

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Procedural close We've been through this before, different football clubs seasons can't be bundled and should not be bundled. You have to nominated them individually. Govvy (talk) 19:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete all – The articles were formatted practically identically, are incomplete, have few sources and do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
The articles have been largely updated. Bayern Munich themselves loan players to these clubs so they can be considered to meet the criteria for significant coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete all per nom, although in future such bundling is not...ideal. Giant Snowman 18:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep, they can be saved. Liefering's article, for example, is the season in which Red Bull Salzburg striker Karim Konaté rose to stardom. Isn't that worth covering?--EpicAdventurer (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@EpicAdventurer I don't see how Konate playing for Liefering would consist of GNG-worthy coverage of their season or any content on the season article that wouldn't instead belong on Konate's. The league doesnt even get regular match reports on or , theres just not enough coverage of the 2. Liga to get close to justifying club season articles at this level. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Like this: https://www.kicker.at/young-violets-gegen-liefering-2022-liga-oesterreich-4789178/schema ? EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
@EpicAdventurer that's not a match report, just a list of scorers and substitutions. compare to the coverage given to the Austrian Bundesliga - Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
This does not determine whether the article deserves to stay or not. If there are yellow cards and coverage like the statistics on SofaScore, it means that the league is as important as the Italian third division league or any lower league in a European country. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
yellow cards being recorded on SofaScore does not contribute towards GNG lol. to demonstrate that these articles are worthy of keeping you'll have to show meaningful secondary coverage of these club's seasons actually exists. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Your going off script is a strong indication of who you are. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
@EpicAdventurer what do you mean by this??? Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

https://www.skysports.com/football/fc-liefering-vs-sv-horn/teams/470426. https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/fc-liefering/7790. The 2. Liga is also listed as a professional league! EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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1993 TAC Cup season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the 25 articles listed below.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle:

Aspirex (talk) 22:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment sorry, but that's way too much for me to work through to see if it needs deletion or not. WP:TRAINWRECK. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
@Govvy: TRAINWRECK is a term for AfDs that cover many topics, but fail because the topics are too dissimilar – some are notable, others aren't. But surely any given TAC Cup season will be about as notable as the next? What makes you think TRAINWRECK applies here? – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment it is possible that I did not make clear enough that these pages are all different seasons of the same competition with different sponsored names. Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
  - Comment @Aspirex and Teratix: Because on my first look, I assumed the AfD was for two different leagues. I didn't say don't delete, I just felt it was too much on one AfD. Maybe splitting between two AfDs might have been easier to manage for some people such as myself. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment there is a strong case for deletion on the face of it – I would be surprised if enough sources exist for individual seasons of a state-level underage development competition. The point Aspirex makes about TAC Cup coverage mainly focusing on individual players or general aspects of competition structure, not specific results, rings true to me. – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
User:Aspirex, this AFD is not formatted correctly for a bundled nomination. You can't just write down a list of linked articles and consider them to be included in this nomination, our closing tool, XFDcloser will not recognize them as nominated articles. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format this nomination correctly. No matter how this discussion is closed, this needs to happen. Thank you. Liz 05:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Liz (talk · contribs) Thanks. Did this edit fix it or have I still missed something? Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Aspirex, everything looks good. Liz 23:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Ice hockey

List of Ottawa Charge draft picks

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I am not persuaded that this qualifies under WP:NLIST. There are also only two years here so far. In a few years this will be unmanageable, and doubtless better handled by a category, and conceivably a navigation template for each year, with a link to the next and previous years. Here for discussion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 11:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep List of New York Rangers draft picks. It's a new league; there have only been two years worth of drafts so far. Let the maintainers of the page determine what's manageable or not. --Mike Vitale 11:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: Draft picks are typically very well covered for professional sports leagues and are often considered a defining aspect of a player's career. Additionally, organization draft picks are typically discussed in a fashion that would meet WP:NLIST. I recognize the list isn't very large right now, but I believe it still meets NLIST and it will continue to grow so long as the league doesn't fold. As for manageability, that's certainly not a concern, as we actually have quite a few list of players drafted that make it to featured list status, 7 of which are for NHL team draft histories. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. The only other place for this would be on the Ottawa Charge article itself, and I can see this list as getting long and unwieldy over time. If the league doesn't last long, then I'd support merging the content, but in the meantime I don't think it's necessary. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep per above. The Kip 20:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Henrich Ručkay

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak ice hockey player. A source that is the closest to significant coverage is Teraz. Corresponding article on Slovak Knowledge (XXG) is likewise an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment : No English source. If no reliable source about the subject then I see a delete vote for me here.--Gabriel (……?) 01:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Martial arts

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Amirreza Borzooei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. the article shows he won 2 Asian Championships bronze medals but they were in youth and junior level, no senior medal yet. Sports2021 (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hadi Kiani

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Fails notability, never achieved anything important. the article tries to show him as a two time Asian Championship medalist but that's not in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour

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Fails notability, the whole article is about trying to sell his achievements as something important. never won a major senior medal. never even participated in a major event. his medal (if true) is just in youth level. Sports2021 (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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John-Paul Tran

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WP:TOOSOON for an article at the moment. This article should wait until there is some actual WP:SIGCOV of the subject, who is still a child athlete. JTtheOG (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Could not find any coverage besides a singular mention (not including the 1 source on the article). Fails WP:NATHLETE. Sir MemeGod  21:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I would also support draftification per the nomination until Tran gets more coverage. Sir MemeGod  21:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete: No coverage found, and a long way from being a notable athlete for our purposes here. I don't even thing drafting would help, still a young competitor, not competing on the national level Oaktree b (talk) 23:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete No significant independent coverage found. WP:MANOTE talks about notable artists need to be at least adult black belts, winning junior events has never been considered WP notable in MA. No reason to draftify this article. When he meets either WP:GNG or an SNG, the article will need to be rewritten then. According to coverage, this event had less than 200 competitors ages 5 to 17 competing in over 40 divisions. Papaursa (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete As per nom and Papaursa. WP:TOOSOON Lekkha Moun (talk) 10:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Murad Ramazanov (fighter)

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Fails to fulfill WP:MMANOT with no wins over significant opponents, bouts only in the second tier organizations and FightMatrix ranking of #65 at highest. Also, does not seem to fulfill WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Ticelon (talk) 10:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete doesn't meet WP:NMMA (or WP:GNG), as he ranked #65 in the world according to fight matrix. Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Clearly fails to meet WP:NMMA. My search for sources found databases, fight announcements, and results--all of which are typical for any pro fighter. In addition, most of the references are from sources that are either deemed not reliable (like sportskeeda) or not independent (particularly One FC's articles). His ranking is probably overstated at fightmatrix since it lists 4 Russian fighters named Murad Ramazanov, all with non-overlapping fight records (which probably explains the one fight in 5 years gap in the main fighter's records). Counting the fights in the gap he no longer has his long unbeaten string or 12-2 professional record, because fightmatrix shows a 2-3 records for those "other" fighters with the same name. Papaursa (talk) 15:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
None of the Murad Ramazanov's are the same person, that region of Russia has many guys who share the same last names or first names, it's like Viet people and the last name Nguyen. There are pictures of the other Ramazanov's in tapology and sherdog, showing it's not the same Murad in PFL, especially since he has a distinctive look.

Murad 1 and 2 are the same person, but not the PFL Murad, and Murad 3 is a completely different guy at a different weight class HeinzMaster (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you HeinzMaster for the additional information. I guess the bottom line is still that none of the Murad Ramazanov fighters are WP notable. Papaursa (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Jesse Taitano

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No longer meets WP:NMMA or WP:GNG Nswix (talk) 03:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete I don't see the coverage to show he meets WP:GNG or WP:BIO. He won less than half of his MMA fights. According to fightmatrix.com, he won none of his 8 against top 25 ranked fighters. His fightmatrix rankings are strange. The article mentions his drawn catchweight fight against Kojima--Kojima was the #1 flyweight and Taitano was the #71 bantanweight. A two round fight sounds more like an exhibition. Taitano's next fight was against an unranked fighter and fightmatrix had Taitano as the #8 flyweight, apparently ignoring the fact his ranking was from a fight where he was a bantamweight against a smaller opponent. Papaursa (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Doesn't meet WP:NMMA or WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Georg Reiter

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There's no WP:SIGCOV of this judoka, just stats pages and WP:ROUTINE coverage (plus an assortment of unreliable sources). Nothing found in WP:BEFORE search so the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Might be notable for world championship, though WP:NSPORT doesn't have any Judo criteria. Nswix (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

There are some notability criteria at WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete I can find no evidence of a silver medal at the World Military Championships and even if I did it wouldn't be sufficient to show WP notability as it is a small event and other medalists have had their articles deleted. There are also many similar sounding events, but the previous statement is true for all of them. The International Military Sports Council doesn't even show a judo championship in 2010 . None of the sources given show WP:GNG is met nor my search find support for the claim of notability. The International Judo Federation records shows he never competed at a world championship. He did compete at one European championship in 2013 where he lost in the round of 16. World Cup events are not world championships. Notability is not inherited from his father's judo success, although it is a possible redirect target (he's already mentioned there). Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete As per nom and complete explanation from Papaursa. Lekkha Moun (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Alfie Pearse

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I've added some details to his biography and cited some articles from: GaryFightRecord (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON, doesnt meet criteria for WP:NKICK. Nswix (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment This was interesting search and showed how things have changed. Time was it was very difficult (well nigh impossible) to find sources on Muay Thai fighters. I found a number of articles on Pearse, but most of them are TikTok, youtube, and instagram. Fight results and upcoming fight announcements are easy to find, but it's still difficult to find significant coverage from sources I know are both reliable and independent. He comes close to meeting WP:NKICK. The WMC ranks him as the #11 contender in his weight class (hence #12 overall) and he recently lost to the Rajadamnern champion in a non-title bout. Neither the sources I found nor the ones mentioned in the article convince me that WP:GNG is met. Historically, organizational ratings are sometimes suspect--it's hard to believe he's so highly ranked in the world when he's only ranked #8 at Rajadamnern. I'd say it appears to be WP:TOOSOON, but I'm not voting right now in the hope that better sources can be provided. Papaursa (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Nobody has provided any additional sources showing WP:GNG or WP:BIO is met, so I'm voting to delete this article. I hope someone will let me know if additional sources are found. Papaursa (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete Probably WP:TOOSOON. Subject doesn't meet WP:NKICK and doesn't pass WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Piper Race Cars

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:ORG / WP:GNG or have a good WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Stewart Tan Seng Teong

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Previous AfD outcome was redirect. I could find no sources for full name or just first and last names. Does not meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Rugby league

Summary of New Zealand national rugby league team test matches

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Article relys on a single source, article is strangely formatted and isn't consistent with other similar articles, case for WP:TNT so a proper List of New Zealand national rugby league team results can be created.

Previously PRODed, and was reverted on the basis that the article could be improved and that I as PRODed nominator had changed the name of the page. Yes, article could be improved, but there is virtually nothing novel or useful on this page so don't see why edit history needs retaining for a new article "List of New Zealand national rugby league team results". Articles name was changed to better reflect the article content. But in reality, it is so far away from the standard way to display a list of national team results that it's best to be deleted. To fix this page would involve removing 99% of the content anyway. Mn1548 (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete WP:NOTDB Traumnovelle (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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