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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 23:40, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Scorpion and Maxim_(talk)

This is one I got together fairly quickly and I hope this is the final piece of a potential Triple Gold Club FT. The table format is new, some alternate formats are here (A is the original). My reason for the switch was that a lot of people who visit the page are likely more interested in what team won the year rather than who the individual members were. As it was, it was difficult to browse through and pick out winners, so I thought the collapsible tables would help. That way, anyone who wants to know who the members of a team were can easily find it. It does have it's downsides though, one has to open each collapsed header manually and ctrl-F is not useable. Either way, this is a WikiCup entry and all concerns are welcome and will be addressed by me or Maxim. -- Scorpion 01:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 03:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• I can't really see the Show tags with IE, they mostly overlap the (CAN) part of the country name. I like the idea in principle though. CloudQuest (talk) 02:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Which version do you have? It might be that your browser isn't wide enough. -- Scorpion 02:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
    • IE 7, screen resolution is 800x600 CloudQuest (talk) 02:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes, that's the problem. The table is 825 px wide. I've tried narrowing it, is it better? -- Scorpion 03:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
        • No, that didn't help. I think you need to either widen the columns (and thus the whole table) or remove the flag icons and abbreviations. I think it would be preferable to make someone like me scroll sideways to see the final column rather than making the show tags illegible as they are for me now. CloudQuest (talk) 03:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC) The table looks great at screen width 1024, I need a new monitor :) CloudQuest (talk) 03:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
          • Just for clarification, do you think the table should be made wider than it was originally? -- Scorpion 03:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
            • Yes. CloudQuest (talk) 03:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
              • Okay, each column is now 250px and the entire think should be roughly 875px. -- Scorpion 03:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
                • Sorry, it's still very messy but I've got to go offline now. I'll try to stop by again, but don't take this as an oppose. CloudQuest (talk) 03:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Update I have switched back to the previous version of the table. There were still objections at the Olympics WikiProject, and as Andrwsc pointed out, it's meant to be a list of the individual medalists and a companion to the Ice hockey at the Olympic Games article. -- Scorpion 18:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Andrwsc

• The "Medals per year" table seems like an obtuse kind of summary for a team sport. Is it really needed? The main article has a better summary in its "Participating nations" section, where instead of "1" or "—" in each table cell (or "2" since the introduction of the women's tournament) it shows a final placement, with gold/silver/bronze colouring for the medalists. I don't see a need to repeat this data in a different form. (But the "Athlete medal leaders" section on this list is great; good work in compiling that!) — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 23:40, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Tintor2 (talk)

I am renominating this for featured list after it had all its issues fixed from the previous nomination. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 03:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, they were made based on the volumes. If not they would be breaking copyvio.Tintor2 (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, then. Due to that, it is best to seek a good copyedit of them. For now I will Weak Support this nomination (since it meets the rest of the WP:WIAFL criteria) until a thorough copyedit is done.--TRUCO 22:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support: Meets the featured list criteria. -- Goodraise (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Note I have done two complete copy-edits (summaries only), one here and another here, after the summaries were expanded. I will repeat that I did not look at the lead. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I did some light touching up of the lead, nothing major. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

• Generally good, but can you find reliable sources to replace current refs 1 & 3. The encyclopedia section of ANN is editable by anyone, and therefore is not reliable. (NB. I have found mistakes with it recently). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • For ref 1, another source I found was this. Any idea of what source could be used for ref 3?Tintor2 (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Something like that TV Tokyo Archive --KrebMarkt 19:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Done. Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Sourcing is now fine, apologies I don't have time to give a full review. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 23:40, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): NOCTURNENOIR

Peer review

Another anime list for your consideration. The list has been lightly copyedited. Please keep in mind that the episodes are eight minutes long (including the ending theme) so the episode summaries are therefore quite short in comparison to most summaries. Thanks. NOCTURNENOIR 02:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

(Copyedited by —La Pianista  @ 20:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC))

• Support - Made some changes, feel free to revert if you wish. I don't like the current FLC system, so I made comments using the <!-- --> tags. In any case, they are minor points, so support per meeting the FA Criteria. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 05:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Changed some stuff. Mold was from the previous episode and I always thought movies were italicized. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... Thanks for the review! NOCTURNENOIR 05:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Same as in Knowledge (XXG):Featured list candidates/List of Oh My Goddess! episodes, another great piece of work. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "that ran for 48 episodes between 1998 and 1999"-->that aired 48 episodes between 1998 and 1999
• "which focuses three goddesses" Missing a word.
• "The series had only two pieces of theme music"
• "However, Urd's predictions are all inanimate objects." I am confused. If these are predictions, then why does Gan-chan marry the kettle?
• "Gan-chan, Urd, and Skuld laze around, bored" Redundant, if they are lazing around then doesn't it follow that they are bored?
• "The three battles the rat"-->The three battle the rat
• "Gan-chan volunteers to act as a distraction. " I think "decoy" would be better here.
• "Urd and Skuld find the treasure, but it turns out to be a windup doll of a golden Buddha statue. " "but" implies contradiction. What did they expect the treasure to be?

• They expected the treasure to be an actual treasure, diamonds, gold, I dunno... I've changed this a bit to clarify a bit more. NOCTURNENOIR 03:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• "Skuld and Urd build him-->Skuld and Urd build for him
• "ate like a pig following his exercise and regained his weight. " Can you put something more encyclopedic than "ate like a pig"?
• "Gan-chan has turned into mini-Godzilla named Gabira." Needs "a" before "mini-Godzilla".
• "can containing"-->can that contains
• "Upon entering "
• "However, the bad luck almost immediately" The way this is phrased, readers are expected to know that bad luck comes from the ring. Please explain further.
• "They try to place a spiritual barrier on the ring, but it fails." Fails to do what?
• "Urd and Skuld bathe him sunlight." Missing a preposition ("in", I think).
• "They duplicate themselves to make teams." "make"-->form.
• "play in ridiculous fashions, at one point, mimicking the tornado pitch of the Tasmanian Devil. Urd then disappears for her "ultimate pitch," and the rest all imitate her, leaving the stadium deserted. "-->play in ridiculous fashions; at one point, they mimick the tornado pitch of the Tasmanian Devil. Urd then disappears for her "ultimate pitch", and the rest imitate her, leaving the stadium deserted. What action do they imitate?

That is the first 12 episodes. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Done with notes. I will c/e this myself again later. NOCTURNENOIR 03:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
• Odd... Most of the issues seem to be centered in the first few episodes. Take another look now; there should not be any more major errors, though another copyedit may be necessary from a better copyeditor. NOCTURNENOIR 22:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

"and they try to save him with their various strange methods."

• • Removed. NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Gan-chan explains to Urd how to fish, but Urd ignores him and begins fishing herself." Add "by" before "herself".
  • That would change the meaning. I've removed "herself" however, so the meaning should remain the same and the grammar should be better. NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Together, they pull out an extremely large fish" "pull out"-->reel in
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
• "When Marller checks on her henchmen, they are all enjoying themselves with their captives and the henchmen and the goddesses decide to have a party." Two unrelated ideas connected by "and".
  • Well, they seemed connected to me... Split anyway. NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
• "decides to summon some new servants"
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Those were just a few more things, I've no time to go through the entire article. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• No worries. As long as the FLC doesn't close, I've got all the time in the world! NOCTURNENOIR 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• Expand WP:CONTRACTIONS
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 22:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
• Watch out for colloqualisms (e.g. "his place")
  • Hopefully, I took care of those during my c/e. Let me know if any more remain. NOCTURNENOIR 22:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
    • The one I mentioned is still there. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Finally fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "twenty-four," refs after punctuation.
  • Fixed by Dabomb87. NOCTURNENOIR 22:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
• For "one through twenty-four" and "twenty-five through forty-eight", I'd use 1–24 and 25–48 instead.
  • I prefer it the other way, but I've changed it. NOCTURNENOIR 22:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Summaries still need work I am afraid. Some quick examples of erroneous or unclear things.

• "and beats the others" | beats?
  • Changed to "hits." NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Urd tests him" | tests how
  • Clarified. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "is too nervous for the concert" | nervous about/before the concert ?
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "destruction!" | full stop not exclamation mark
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Urd, as the Mallard Train races Gan" | comma after train
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• "He imagines life if he lived in the miso jar" | He imagines what life would be like if he...
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

First 15 ep summaries.

• "The devices begin with Urd's attempt to build Icarus' wings, followed by Skuld's construction of the Montgolfier brothers' balloon, Otto Lilienthal's glider, Samuel Langley's (unsuccessful) Aerodrome and, ultimately, the Bell X-1, as Belldandy gives the history of flight." | reword or possibly remove "history of flight" as it is already mentioed in the previous sentence, and it reads funny.
  • Done. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "quoting Neil Armstrong's famous line" Expand. Is it in full or a parody. Gan-chan is a rat so does he really say "I small step for man...?"
  • Done. The translation is a bit funky, but that is to be expected, no? NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• before reurning to his spaceship
  • Done. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• What is "deep space"?
  • The disambig describes it, but linking to dabs is suggested against so I've linked to outer space.
• "transform it into a spaceship" - it being? the temple?
  • Clarified. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• Link "emcee"
  • Done. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• What is a "collared bowtie"
  • Linked. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I didn't mean link it. What is a collar bow tie? Is it a type of bow tie. Can you do without the word "collared"? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Removed then. It's a bowtie that goes at the collar... I've removed "collared" and unlinked. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "beats up" is a bit colloquial - reword
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk)

16–35

• "Gan-chan repeats his attempt to clean Keiichi's desk and subsequent injuries" | Sounds like he his attempting to clean subsequent injuries
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "and begins to climb" | he begins to climb back up?
  • No, he's trying to climb down the cliff. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Urd rudely wakes him up" | bit vague maybe "abruptly wakes him"
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Skuld enters Banpei" | sounds like Skuld is going inside Banpei. Make it clear it is enters Banpei for the competition
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
    • "Skuld enters Banpei into the competition, and it wins" | "it wins" seems strange, I was happier with who wins assuming it is an animate object. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
      • However, the grammar of Skuld enters Banpei into the competition, who wins several times as well. is incorrect. I've replaced "who wins" with "Banpei." NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• Link "sake"
  • Done. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "use inventions to calm him down" | what inventions?
  • Skuld just creates random inventions and I think naming them would give them WP:Undue weight. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "not unfounded" | double negative, maybe well-founded
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• Possibly "and as a first-class sorceress demon, she easily defeats Gan-chan" unless that part is really relevent.
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "a black bird fly away" | black bird -> crow as you specify this later
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Unfortunately, it was all a dream" | unfortunate for who, maybe just but it was ...
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Still don't know why it is unfortunate. Try Urd defeats Marller and saves the world from destruction, but it was in a dream. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Replaced. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "so that Belldandy confesses to Gan-chan inside his dream" | confesses what?
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "beat him up" again
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "attach Belldandy to the machine" | what machine?
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "freed from his curse" | what curse
  • Fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "power goes out and their scores are lost" | need to mention that their "scores" are being recorded on something before
  • Added information. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "but the fish swallows him instead" | instead of?
  • Removed. NOCTURNENOIR 16:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

36–

• "Urd then moves" | The fake Urd then ...
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "The goddesses demands the real Urd what is going on" missing word
  • Dunno what the missing word was, but that sentence was horrid to begin with. Minor switch ups in wording, so it should be fixed. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "favorite Ninja TV show" | if the show is called Ninja TV then fine, but I suspect it is a TV show about ninjas -> ninja TV show
  • I don't know what the true translation is, so I've made it lower case. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Rock-Paper-Scissors" -> rock-paper-scissors
  • Changed capitalization. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• Link "smear campaign"
  • Linked. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "smear campaign against Gan-chan and incites a crowd against Gan-chan" | reword to remove repetition of "against Gan-chan"
  • Fixed them. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Gan-chan hurriedly tries to grant other wishes so that the Wish Maker does not grant them" | huh?
  • Attempted to clarify it. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "but the description sounds like Gan-chan, to his surprise—" | but, to his suprise, the description sounds like himself—
  • Changed. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "but he unfortunately keeps missing Keiichi" | who? is that what the student his called? if so clarify that earlier
  • Clarified at the end. It doesn't fit elsewhere. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• "Gan-chan chases after her but accidentally ends up at the Extreme Thrill Ride Course, a roller coaster-like track, to his dismay." | after her but, to his dismay, accidentally ... a coaster-like track.
  • Clarified, and the wording morphed a bit from yours. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• Alot of Ep 47 is unclear, I realise it is a weird plot, but it still needs better wording.
  • See if this is better. NOCTURNENOIR 20:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• The Adventures of Mini-Goddess... was a Japanese animated TV series that aired 48 episodes between 1998 and 1999. Episodes exist forever, so "...is a Japanese..." is more correct
• The series premiered on WOWOW as a part of the omnibus show Anime Complex; it is currently distributed in North America by Geneon Entertainment, formerly known as Pioneer Entertainment. The two parts of the sentence don't flow for me, because WOWOW is a Japanese network, and the bit after the semicolond discusses American distribution. Also, Anime Complex should be italicised per WP:ITALICS

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed both. Moved a ref to support the sentence created. NOCTURNENOIR 20:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:31, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)

Great music. Great lady. Great list? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Wow Matt, way to put this up at such a high point in her career! :-P iMatthew // talk // 13:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)

Comment

• I am worried of the youtube links. They are external copyright violations and are not reliable, too. --Efe (talk) 08:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  • They seem all to be uploaded by the universalmusicgroup, so they should be OK copyright-wise. --Amalthea 11:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
    • AGF because I cannot access the video, perhaps restrictions due to copyrights. --Efe (talk) 11:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Where are these links? I don't see them in the article.--<TRUCO> 14:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
        • In the references for the directors of the music videos. Universal kindly provide directors, producers, and often camera/cinematographers for their music videos. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)
      • WP:YOUTUBE, they're not automatically bad. The links point to videos provided by Universal Music Group's official channel. You're in South America, right? Perhaps its restricted based on IP address? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Like Matt stated, if the channel is owned by the official publisher, its fine to link to them.--<TRUCO> 00:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support | Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--<TRUCO> 00:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Whataworld06

I really like this list, though I did notice a few things that could improve it:

• ""—" denotes releases that did not chart" needs to be added to the bottom of tables with chart positions (see this)

• Done

• I don't think all of the reference linking is needed (Allmusic is linked dozens of times). Consider linking the work or publisher only the first time it is used.

• If I do that, what's to say if the first linked referenced will keep on being the first one? Overlinking doesn't usually apply to references, see the capped comments by User:JD554 at Knowledge (XXG):Featured list candidates/Sigur Rós discography for an explanation.

• Add the Wikimedia Commons for Rihanna to the External links section (see the bottom of the Rihanna article)

• I think its only for bios. --Efe (talk) 02:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. -Whataworld06 (talk) 03:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• No source is listed to verify the remix album or the DVD --Whataworld06 (talk) 19:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Done

Thank you! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Looks great, have hidden my minor comments below. Drewcifer (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• Some of the links in the singles as featured artist needs to be corrected. Norway and Switzerland.

• Done

• The chart for Finland is incorrect, the reference for those charts positions goes to the YLE chart, not the Mitä hittiä.

• Done

• Just a question, why did you choose to put the charts for Austria and Switzerland, but not the one for Germany? I believe is the biggest german speaking market.

• No particular reason. MOS:DISCOG says 10 charts. I just picked 10 charts at random.

Frcm1988 (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

More comments

• In the music video section, only link Chris Applebaum and Anthony Mandler one time.

• Done

• The references from Allmusic for the Guest appearances: 38, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45 and 47 are lacking the author.

• Tomorrow going to bed now :)

• Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Frcm1988 (talk) 06:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 09:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Good work. Frcm1988 (talk) 08:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• "AllMusic"-->Allmusic Dabomb87 (talk) 01:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

• Where are the certifications for singles and DVDs? Cannibaloki 03:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

• Seems like a silly reason to oppose, rather than just saying "comment" or "neutral". They're not included because they don't really have to be. Adding an extra column for the singles is going to squash the entire table.

• I actually agree with Cannibaloki's position here. I find it a poor argument to say major content such as certifications for singles and videos are not included because they don't have to be. If that is the case, then I suggest we might has well remove all charts and album certifications, as they do not have to be there either. Not inserting such information defeats the whole purpose of nominating this discography for FL, which is to come up with the a comprehensive and complete discography. For that matter, I also suggest you add DVD charts and album sales, given the commercial success of Rihanna. Do U(knome)? _{or no} 05:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Album sales isn't necessary because certifications are awarded based on the number of sales. It would just be repetitive information. I'll look into searching for DVD certs later or tomorrow, but I think it's too much information for the singles. It would make the table look extremely ugly, which would make it fail Criterion 6.

In fact, Criterion 3: Comprehensiveness. It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing a complete set of items where practical, or otherwise at least all of the major items; where appropriate, it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about entries, doesn't seem to support including them force their inclusion:

• All albums, singles and featured songs are included, meeting the "defined scope, complete set of items" part.
• "All of the major items": the certs for albums are major, whereas the awards for singles and DVDs are not -- the threshold of sales for earning certs are lower for singles than albums
• "It has annotations that provide useful and appropriate info" -- it has chart positions for all charted releases and bulleted notes for albums, guest appearances etc.

I don't see where it fails, and so I think the oppose is invalid. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, the album certifications actually do not tell me how much Good Girl Gone Bad sold worldwide, and also sales are recommended at MOS:DISCOG. In regards to single certifications, saying that the threshold of sales for earning certs are lower for singles than albums is actually not true. If you take a look at the world's biggest music markets, sales thresholds per award are the same for albums and singles in United States, Australia and Japan, while they are actually higher for singles in Germany and the United Kingdom. And also, saying that inserting an extra column will make the tables look ugly is quite subjective and not necessarily true (e.g. Eminem discography). So it really doesn't make much sense to have album certifications but not single ones, which are too recommended at MOS:DISCOG. Do U(knome)? _{or no} 07:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, a proposed WP:CREEP MOS. I happen to think that the singles table in the Eminem discog doesn't look wonderful; there's too much white space, but whatever.

I have included chart positions for the DVD, and the RIAA sales certification. Despite what the article said, it wasn't certified in Australia according to http://www.aria.com.au/pages/aria-charts-accreditations.htm, nor in Belgium according to http://www.belgianentertainment.be, the Italian one can't be reliably verified because you need a password. I can't find any other certs for the DVD, from any National record industry assns listed at http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_links/national_associations.html Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Fine, let's ignore DISCOGs, but what about the points I made about sales and certifications? By the way, the DVD also charted on Australia's Top 40 Music DVD chart. (source). You may want to include it if you feel it is appropriate. Do U(knome)? _{or no} 00:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess I was wrong about the thresholds for singles vs albums WRT certifications. I still don't think they're necessary for singles though. Especially when they're in the articles themselves. Sorry. I've added the Aussie chart for the DVD. Thanks for the link, I wouldn't have found it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

• Cannibaloki, I see you added this information yourself. I won't remove it, so could you strike your "oppose"?

• Support, all done. Cannibaloki 01:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 15:14, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Giants2008 (17-14)

Here's a second Yankees-related list from me. This is based on the other current baseball team records FLs, and has been peer-reviewed, like all of the lists I've brought here before. As always, I'll be around to respond to the community's comments. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues have been resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 21:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - I participated in this list's peer review and fully support its inclusion as a FL. Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from KV5

A couple of minor issues, but overall, extremely well done.

• In the caption of Babe Ruth's lead image, all three numbers are comparative to one another, so spell out "fifteen", rather than 15, per WP:MOSNUM.
• I would like to see the "#" symbol superscripted or separated from the numbers in some way where ties are indicated. As is, when the characters are the same height, it's cluttered. I believe that I used the § symbol with superscripting to some degree of success throughout several other featured lists.
• Navbox needs to contain a direct link to this article to be included (see Template:Philadelphia Phillies).
• 'Twould be nice to have an external link directly to the official site (this was requested of me at my first FLC and I've tried to include it ever since). Don't forget to bullet it.

Hope this helps. Good work. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 12:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Got all of them. While superscripting the symbols, I realized they didn't have matching colors. Have to go now, but will add the colors later today. Giants2008 (17-14) 15:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Okay, the colors are now in. Giants2008 (17-14) 01:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• Cheers. Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The Yankees compete"-->They compete (avoids the repetition of "The...Yankees" in two consecutive sentences)
• "Yankees players who are still active"-->Active Yankees players
• File:Ruth1921.jpg needs a more specific source. We need to be able to easily find the picture.
• The external link is not really necessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Nominator(s): KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. It is fully referenced and meets the qualifications as laid out in WP:WIAFL. Questions will, of course, be addressed by the nominator. Cheers. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 03:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 21:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "while Texas and Florida follow,"-->and Texas and Florida follow,

• Either is grammatically correct; trying to avoid duplicate "ands". The two states' numbers of picks also exist concurrently, strengthening the case for the use of "while". KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• "Eight first-round picks have gone on to win a championship with the Phillies."-->Eight first-round picks have won a championship with the Phillies.

• Done - actually reworded to avoid ambiguity. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• "The Phillies have failed to sign their first-round pick only twice."

• Done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Jeff Jackson links to the wrong article.

• Ugh, I thought I delinked that already. Done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• On a more general note, why does this list only have the first-round draft picks? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Because a comprehensive draft history would be impossibly long, between trades and the sometimes unending length of the MLB draft. Also, first-round picks, in many cases, are many times quite notable because of their "boom-or-bust" quality. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 15:14, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): — neuro, Ironholds

Another Royal Society medal, worked on by myself and Ironholds - seems FLable. — neuro 15:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

A note for transparency, I am in the WikiCup. — neuro 15:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 14:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Initially awarded "for acknowledged distinction of work in the life sciences, particularly in the fields of genetic engineering and molecular biology" Comma after here.
• "as a cloning " Why the question mark?

  No idea, it was in the original source. Ironholds (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Can you center the dashes and years in the table? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  All done except for point 2. Ironholds (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources

• Refs 2 and 5 need format=PDF added to their citation template.
• Ref 4 is a book, use {{cite book}}. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  Done. Ironholds (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support fulfills the FL criteria —Chris! _ct 07:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Nominator(s): Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)

I think this meets the criteria. Thanks in advance for taking a look. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Procedural note The nominator is in the WikiCup. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)

• Support. all my issues have been resolved. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead

• I'm not an expert on music or discographies, by why aren't (bass) and other related terms stated as "(bassist)"? In the sentence Sigur Rós was formed in 1994 in Reykjavík, Iceland, by singer Jón Þór Birgisson (guitar and vocals), Georg Hólm (bass) and Ágúst Ævar Gunnarsson (drums).

• Done

• Sigur Rós released their debut album, Von in 1997 on Smekkleysa Records. | (1)comma after the album title (2)Is on _____ Records stated correctly, isn't it like "with _____ Records"?

• Done

• Only one track, "Leit af lífi" was new to the album. | Comma after the song name.

• Done

Albums

• Why does the certifications list ISL and not IFPI?

• Because it's for the country, not the whole of Europe. The IFPI is the BPI/RIAA for many European countries, but each country has it's own subsidiary. I was told to do this in a previous discog FLC where I previously had them displayed as IFPI (Iceland), IFPI (Germany) BPI (UK), etc.

• Oh okay, thanks for clarifying that.--<TRUCO> 14:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• The 2009 compilation album needs verification in some way, .
  • As do the Remixes, EPs, and Soundtrack albums.
  • As well as the singles which did not chart.

• I know it's striked but I thought I'd answer anyway. Their physical existance can verify its title etc.

• Okay, thank you, I will keep that in mind for future discographies.--<TRUCO> 14:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Directors

• What's verifying the final 2008 music video director?

• Dammit, I had it.. I'll find it again. Tomorrow though.

• Take your time =) .--TRUCO 14:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• I guess you couldn't find it?--TRUCO 00:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• Not a reliable source, no. There is a reference for its existence, though. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

References

• What Rambo stated is what I also found.

• Replied above.

• Checks out fine, except about his point on consistency with untitled and Untitled.--<TRUCO> 14:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

--<TruCo> 18:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Just needs a citation for that uncited music video director mentioned by Truco and I'll be able to support. --JD554 (talk) 21:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Additional comments from JD554

• Checking through the references for the music videos and, with the exception of "Svefn-g-englar", none of the references confirm Sigur Ros as directors, including the new one you added. --JD554 (talk) 08:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
• The link for reference #4 doesn't confirm the chart positions. Is there some instruction missing from the reference?
  • Even though this reference has been changed, it still isn't a direct link to verify the positions. Further instructions seem to be necessary. See reference #20 at The Cure discography for how this is done on other discographies. --JD554 (talk) 09:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
• Reference #19 doesn't confirm Sigur Ros guesting on the track Dot.

• The ref verifies the album's existence. The album sleeve confirms their appearance, but I can't cite that, as a photo would be a primary source. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• In that case you could cite the album cover itself using {{Cite music release notes}}. --JD554 (talk) 12:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Why are there two references for the The Loch Ness Kelpie soundtrack? #24 on its own would seem to be sufficient. --JD554 (talk) 09:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment

Just a matter of preference, but considering that everything (chart positions/certifications) is referenced in the body of the article, I think you can remove them from the lead to enhance readability. Also, stuff like record labels and the names of the singles released from an album, don't need referencing at all. indopug (talk) 16:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Done Thank you! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Looks very nice, happy to support. One more thing, partly my fault: ICE looks kinda weird, doesn't it? What about ICL? Also, do you know of a way to lessen the space between BEL and (FL)? I dunno, both are up to you, they both just look a little funky to me. Great work though! Drewcifer (talk) 08:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support, all done. Cannibaloki 06:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 05:54, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Rambo's Revenge (talk)

I have worked on this for the last month, It is my 5th award in a SPOTY topic. WikiCup entry. I must also thank User:Chrishomingtang and User:Chamal N got worked on this page before me (from this to this), which greatly reduced the work I had to do. All comments welcome. Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support —Chris! _ct 19:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--TRUCO 14:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment -- this list would be a lot more interesting if it gave some idea of what they did that year to earn the award. For example, the first guy won an Olympic Gold Medal, the second set 3 new world records etc. Rules99 (talk) 12:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Whilst I would like to, it could be construed as WP:OR. The BBC does not specifically mention why it gave all the awards, so whilst the winners achievements in that year maybe mentioned alongside the fact they won the award, it is not explicitly mentioned if any specific contribution(s) caused them to win. For example, an athlete may have a very successful season and break a national record say. Who is to say that whether the good season or the NR was the contributing factor to winning the award. If it is not explicitly mentioned then it is OR. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Then couldn't you just provide it as background information not necessarily implying a causal link? Rules99 (talk) 13:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I've been advised against adding unnecessary background information (e.g. the age they received the award if not directly relevent ) All the winners have there own articles if people are really interested in their careers. After all isn't that what wikilinks are for...? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
        • I think we should be assuming that readers want to know what they did that particular year. Rules99 (talk) 14:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
          • The thing is listing this information IMO does imply a link. Take Roger Federer. If we list that he won his fifth consecutive Wimbledon title that implies a link, however he actually did a hell of a lot of impressive stuff in 2007 so how can you choose what to include whilst remaining neutral. It seems an unnecessary and contentious addition considering everything would be in their individual articles. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
            • Having everything in separate articles means the list is just navigational and not informative (and also deadly boring). Incidentally we can cite someone linking success at Wimbledon with the award: "after equalling Bjorn Borg's record by securing a fifth successive Wimbledon singles title. Federer won three of this year's Grand Slams... " . If these really are contentious you could demand citations although I don't regard them as necessary. Rules99 (talk) 17:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
              • Bad choice due to it being recent. One wouldn't be able to this for the older winners (i.e. pre-1990). I notice that Rules99 has been blocked indefinitely so I can't continue this discussion in a constructive way. If anyone else wishes to discuss this please let me know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment -- I'd like to be able to sort by nationality. Rules99 (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • This can be done, and I have done it in the past, but I would require that there is consensus for it. The first SPOTY list I submitted started it's FLC with the nationality sortability . However during the FLC, Chris! combined them. Can I ask you to work out a solution between you, so I can standardise it for all the lists. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Perhaps another column (giving the names) could be added to the "By nationality" table? Rules99 (talk) 13:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I don't really see how that would be necessary. The flags are easy to spot in the above table and it seems like unnecessary repetition. I do not like this option (per Cr.6 Visual appeal) and would prefer putting the nationality sorting back over this, but that is something I guess Chris would need to comment on. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Done. The nationality column has gone back in per a MOS issue Struway2 pointed out below. That fix has also resolved this issue. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• The lead image should not have a period in the caption.
• "Oleg Protopopov and Ludmila Belousova, joint recipients of the award in 1968, were also husband and wife." Are they not married anymore?
• There is an inconsistency in dashes; use either spaced en dashes or unspaced em dashes, not both.
• "The winning sportsperson is the one with the largest amount of points in total."-->The winning sportsperson has the most total points.
• "American boxer Muhammad Ali and Swiss tennis player Roger Federer have each won the award three times, while Australian golfer Greg Norman has won the award twice. " "while"-->and.
• "The husband and wife skating duo"->The husband-and-wife skating duo
• "Belousova was the first woman to become Overseas Personality—she is also the oldest, aged 33." Tense inconsistencies ("was" "is")
• "who won in 1976 aged 16"-->who won in 1976 at age 16
• "Two cricketers that received the award" Use "who", not "that", when referring to people.
• "with fourteen recipients, tennis is the most represented sport.-->tennis has the highest representation, with with fourteen recipients. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

All done, thanks for taking a look. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 05:45, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): igordebraga ≠, Gary King (talk)

After finding an article that was a simple list of games (already found somewhere else), I decided to expand and put info on other Metroid media, that doesn't get much attention in the games and series' articles. I tried to mirror the style of the other video game media FLs, and did a Peer Review to search for problems and possible improvements. Now let's see if the article is good enough to enter the Featured Lists. igordebraga ≠ 23:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Why are the left and right table margins for the games sections different than the rest of the tables? --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 00:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • It's just a question of "format that seems to fit better" - List of Castlevania media also uses two different tables, one for music and another for anything else. igordebraga ≠ 02:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 01:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments - It may be just me but there seems to be a lack of references, eg:

• The comics book section is lacking references for the creative team and the release dates
  • It's covered in the refs for the stories themselves; but added to two as it doesn't show the date
• Manga doesnt reference the release dates
  • Despite one I needed to add, it's covered in the refs inside the "Notes" section.
• In the video games some of the sentences arent referenced like Metroid Prime is the first 3D game in the series, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes first multiplayer in the series, Metroid Prime Hunters first with online multiplayer
  • The Castlevania list linked above shows not anything needs refs, but added.
• Soundtracks section doesnt reference the composers.
  • Added refs to the games themselves (composers are listed in the credits). igordebraga ≠ 03:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Salavat (talk) 01:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well with no other issues that i can see and to me the lead reads fine to me now, ive changed my comments to a support. Salavat (talk) 06:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Just curious under the comics section you only list 3 stories by Valient Comics. How come Samus Aran's Starship Hunter IV isnt listed there to? Salavat (talk) 03:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not an adaptation of the game, as the title mentions, it's just an analysis of Samus' ship. igordebraga ≠ 05:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• The English tags are unnecessary.
• "Valiant Comics" is not a publication and should not be italicized.
• What makes http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/index.php?g=features&p=owsen a reliables source?
  • It's an interview with someone that worked for Nintendo. But if you still question, I can remove it. igordebraga ≠ 05:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
    • No problem then. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 05:45, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): -- ], – Nurmsook!

I am co-nominating with Nurmsook so that this can be resolved and have its promotion kepted. This article was just re-written by me and Nurmsook, and Scorpion0422 was the original editor and creator. Comments are welcome! -- ] 23:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: Sources, images, and prose look good. Disclaimer: I have the second-most edits to the page and I gave it a copyedit after Nurmsook and SRE.K.A.L.24's rewrite. Maxim_(talk) 00:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I have the second-most edits to the page... What are you trying to say here? Thanks for that great copy-edit though! Disclaimer: 4 of your 6 edits were minors. -- ] 00:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support | Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL. Thanks for letting me know about my signature.--TRUCO 02:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comments - "as both are awarded to players who have made a significant humanitarian contribution to his community" doesn't seem gramatically correct ("players who have made (plural)....his (singular) community"), and ice hockey should surely be linked somewhere in the article? Other than that all looks good -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. – Nurmsook! 17:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

In that case I am happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Excellent job, considering the speed in which this article was brought to quality standards.

• "Winners have often made large charitable contributions to their community prior to being awarded." It is unclear that these contributions have led to the players' winning the award. Maybe "Winners have often won the award as a result of their large charitable contributions to before being awarded."

I'll let Nurmsook reply to this comment of yours. -- ] 00:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• "German Olaf Kolzig is the only non-Canadian winner, while Ron Francis is the only winner to have been elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame." "while"-->and.

Is this necessary? -- ] 00:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 23:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems as though Maxim took care of these, because these quotes are not the same as what's actually written in the article. Regardless, all have been addressed! – Nurmsook! 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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Nominator(s): iMatthew // talk //

iMatthew // talk // 20:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support: All of my comments seem to have been addressed. Looks good! – Nurmsook! 01:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24

• I think you should mention that alternate captains are appointed before each game.
  • What do you mean, before each game? iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I meant that that are assigned before each NHL game...how clear do you want me to me? -- ] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I would disagree with this. Why not mention that captains are appointed before each game too then? It's not really noteworthy to add. It's just a coach listing who his captains are on his game sheet. – Nurmsook! 20:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
        • I believe it is, especially for the alternates, as some readers may be confused why there are more the 2 alternate captains, when only 2 should be assigned to a game. -- ] 03:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
          • It's hard to complete a review when the reviewers are not on the same page. Can we decided on something here? iMatthew // talk // 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you are finished with this...

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "founded in 1917" Not really necessary.

• It adds some context IMO.

• captain who has the "sole privilege of discussing with the Referee any questions relating to interpretation of rules which may arise during the progress of a game."-->captain, who has the "sole privilege of discussing with the Referee any questions relating to interpretation of rules which may arise during the progress of a game". (note that I moved the period to outside the quotation marks.
• "of two alternate captains who serve"-->of two alternate captains, who serve
• "named captain name more than"—"name" repetition annoying, why not "select"?
• "amongst"-->among
• "and back to his crease" Not sure what this means.
• File:NicklasLidstrom.jpg needs an author.
• File:Joe sakic.jpg same.
• "Player is currently on the Injured Reserve" Why is "Injured Reserve" capitalized? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources

• What makes http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2008/09/captain-puckstopper.html a reliable source?

• The author of the blog is Joe Pelletier is a published ice hockey author. He is using the blog as a means of publishing information.

• Likewise http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1982/82002.html?
• Spell out abbreviations in the publishers such as TSN. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Unless otherwise specified, all done. Maxim_(talk) 00:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

While we are on the topic of NHL articles, can you take a look at History of the National Hockey League (1967–1992) and History of the National Hockey League (1992–present) to do a prose check pre-FAC? Sorry for the off-topic note, but of course extra eyes (TalkPageFLCPage stalkers). Maxim_(talk) 01:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I looked at 1967–92 a while back; I was almost finished with the fourth. Will go right now. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 05:45, 28 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Efe (talk)

I am nominating this for featured list because it has been peer reviewed and I think it meets the criteria. Thanks, Efe (talk) 13:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - I participated in the article's peer review, and believe it to be of FL standards. -Whataworld06 (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 00:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "In 2007, there were 17 singles that topped the chart." Redundant.

• Removed including "that" Leaving it would make the sentence ungrammatical. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• That is what I meant :) Dabomb87 (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• "Three number-one singles tied for the longest run on the chart this year" "this" is too strong a back reference, say "2007" or "that".

• "That" is rather awkward. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• What about "2007"? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Changed. --Efe (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• "weeks, the last of these was non-consecutive." Should be a semicolon, not a comma.

• A misuse of semicolon. Should be comma. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• No, we have a comma splice here. It needs to be reworded or a semicolon needs to be added. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• I see no comma splice here because "the last of these was non-consecutive" is not an independent clause. Do you have any suggestion or better phrasing? Perhaps that would settle it. --Efe (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Seems like an independent clause to me (subject is "The last of these", predicate is "was consecutive"). Anyway, I will try to think of a rephrasing. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• "previous calendar year" Redundant, unless there is another type of year that could be referred to here.

• Removed. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• "one for five straight weeks."-->one for five consecutive weeks. better word choice

• The same consecutive and straight. I use both to make the prose better. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• ""Irreplaceable" is the best-performing single of the calendar year, topping the Top Hot 100 Hits of 2007." I am unsure of the logical connection of these two phrases. Is the song the best-performing because it topped the Top Hot 100 Hits of 2007, or was it already known as the best, and just happened to top the list?

• No. Its the best-performing single of this year although it started its peak position in the preceding year. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• "for its jump from 64th to first place" Keep the numbers in the ordinals consistent.

• They're consistent: 64th and 1st, unless I am missing something. Someone revised it. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• Right now it is "first". Dabomb87 (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Is should be in words, IMO. --Efe (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• It looks awkward though. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

But MOS states it should be in words, unless I missed some. --Efe (talk) 05:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• "making it the biggest leap in this year."-->the largest leap of that year.

• Changed to "of 2007". --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• "has been credited by the music press as 2007's Song of the Summer." By the music press in general, or a specific agency/magazine/institution?

• I have to generalize it. We don't want to name them all. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• "Young Joc"-->Yung Joc. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed. --Efe (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:00, 25 February 2009 .

Nominator(s): Ironholds (talk)

Another RS medal: don't worry reviewers, only two more to go after this! then I start submitting the awards and lectures, mwahaha Ironholds (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Check the toolbox, there is a dab link and a couple of dead links. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Done; one of the deadlinks isn't dead, I don't know why the toolserver couldn't resolve it (possibly because it is a .pdf?) Ironholds (talk) 14:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support | Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.TRUCO 02:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - Lead looks good after a lookover. Meets WAIFL (waffle?). NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 01:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support - I remember seeing these in the nominators userspace, and remember this as the longest one. I can't see errors with the list, yet another quality Royal Society list from Ironholds. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

  Heh, thanks. Sounds like an advertisement "yet another good quality list from Ironholds! Oh what WILL that man think of next? Order now and receive free shipping." Ironholds (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "been changed a number of times"-->been changed a several times
• "A second donation of £1666 13s. 4d." What do the "s" and "d" stand for?
• "Since its creation"-->Since its inception
• "including 52 winners of various Nobel Prizes"
• "These include Frederick Sanger who was awarded"-->These include Frederick Sanger, who was awarded
• "and is one of only four people"
• "having won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry twice in 1958 and 1980" Dabomb87 (talk) 01:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  All done. Ironholds (talk) 06:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources

• All web citations that are PDFs should have format=PDF added to their templates. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  All corrected. Ironholds (talk) 06:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:00, 25 February 2009 .