Knowledge (XXG)

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 Happily888 (talk) 05:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Birth date, some of the early section and the filmography needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 16:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

American fashion designer. The "High Priestess of Fashion" according to Vogue. Thriley (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Career section can use some expansion but otherwise meets the minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Career section could be expanded (tagged) and the lead can also be expanded. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have expanded the career section. Thriley (talk) 00:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article has been expanded enough to meet minimum quality. Happily888 (talk) 02:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks ready now. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like this article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted per WT:ITN req after rollover.—Bagumba (talk) 12:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

German politician. Grimes2 (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Prose is 1,572 character, barely over a stub. This man was leader of Germany's third party for six years and was leader of the opposition, albeit for six months. What did he propose in his many election campaigns and how did he act in opposition to Merkel? My knowledge of German language and politics is far too low to expand this, however. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Irrelevant. Please read the bottom line in the yellow box containing the nomination. Black Kite (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  Leaving aside whether it's true, it's not irrelevant at all -- this is a comment on the article's quality, and a suggestion that it needs some minimal coverage of his political positions and actions to meet the quality bar. The line you point to includes Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD., which is exactly what this comment is doing. UndercoverClassicist 07:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  The small text says all humans, animals etc. are assumed to be notable enough to post. I never doubted that. What I said was that the page is just over the length of a stub. Would we ever consider posting a page on a Liberal Democrats leader like Charles Kennedy or Paddy Ashdown if the page was just over the definition of a stub, and a mere list of offices held rather than who they were as politicians and people? This may not be GA or FA nomination but a certain limit of length and completeness should be met. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  DYK asks for 300 words. I don't think it's unreasonable for ITN to require as least 300 words, too. The word count is 250 now. Let's have more prose in this wikibio. Pretty sure there's more to write about this guy's career in politics. When coverage of the wikibio appears to be incomplete, it's a good reason not to feature it on the RD line, methinks. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

   Done Grimes2 (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Procedural support meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Per above 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support meets the bare minimum requirement but it would be better if there is a bit more content. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 16:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Huge loss to world of ballet. Life and career covered extensively in reliable secondary sources. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait As yet, there don't seem to be any details of the death and, as she was just 29, a more substantial update will be expected. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  Does it really matter if we know more details of the death for the article update to be "substantial" enough to pass muster for RD? We know she's recently died, reliable sources have reported on it, and the article has been updated to reflect as such. RachelTensions (talk) 05:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, it matters. As I understand it, this based on an Instagram post repeated by People magazine which doesn't strike me as especially reliable. This is breaking news based on primary sources and, as an encyclopedia with a strict BLP policy, we should use these with care. WP:ITNUPDATE says that a "a one-sentence update is highly questionable" and one sentence is still all that we've got. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  Now reported by Reuters and in the Guardian. UndercoverClassicist 07:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  Her family issued a statement as well. Also cited in the People magazine article. Anyway I just added a citation needed tag that I can't resolve right now as I'm going offline and also what is up with licensing for that Teen Vogue video in the infobox? Cielquiparle (talk) 07:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  Have resolved my own citation-needed tag now. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the article is ready. I don't think that lacking the cause of death should retain its posting. Alexcalamaro (talk) 09:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is ready now. There is enough information about her untimely death. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: the gaps in the article reflect the sources, so should be no impediment to posting. UndercoverClassicist 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 15:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Article appears to be well-sourced. Funcrunch (talk) 20:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Seems to be a major humanitarian crisis and it has been described as the region's worst flooding in 30 years. Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Tentative support: article isn't great (one sentence on the causes, and no mention of what was wrong with the dam?), but it does seem to be fully cited, and the event is certainly significant in my view (nearly half a million people displaced). UndercoverClassicist 19:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  I expanded the Causes section a little bit by adding more details about the dam collapse.Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• The dam broke on the 10th, that doesn't make it stale yet, but these type of details are clearly missing in the article. --Masem (t) 19:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  I added the date(which I had included in the initial version of the article but apparently it was not included in the second version). Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle ; major disaster, but article is not up to scuff This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is long enough and looks good to go. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Twice former fin min of africa's then-largest economy.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Provisional oppose: significance is granted by having an article, but there are CN tags needing to be addressed. Would support once fully sourced. UndercoverClassicist 09:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I added citations to the article and I think it should now be acceptable for RD. Scaramouche33 (talk) 07:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Support all the issues have been resolved, I think it is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Is the article good to go?Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Troubled ex-NHLer was struck by a car two weeks ago. Succumbed to his injuries today. Have spent the afternoon buffing up the article and making sure everything important is cited. — GhostRiver 21:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Well-buffed, GhostRiver. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: article looks in good shape. UndercoverClassicist 06:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Great improvements with sourcing. Article in good shape. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 21:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

No strong feelings either way, but we normally post space firsts, right? Sandstein 15:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: data in the table of launch attempts seems only sparsely cited. Do we feel that this qualifies as a "first", given that spacewalks themselves are routine -- the difference here is who has organised/funded it? UndercoverClassicist 15:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

That's certainly up for debate, although the media do treat this as a "first", reflecting the increasing commercialization and privatization of spaceflight. Sandstein 16:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support a first for space exploration. Scuba 16:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - In The News, major milestone in human spaceflight PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's not a major milestone in human spaceflight. It's a small milestone in the organisational backing of human spaceflight. Operationally, a spacewalk is a spacewalk. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I guess every major news outlet is just lying in saying that the first commercial spacewalk is a major milestone. Scuba 16:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

It's hype. News outlets frequently produce hype. Of more interest on the operational front is that this was a spacewalk without airlocks. To my mind 'first commercial spacewalk' is one of those excessively-specific superlatives, like 'tallest actor' or 'first Frenchman to cycle around the world'. I don't see the operational activity's dependence on the commercial organisation supporting it as especially remarkable. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the superlatives that you listed exist and aren't that ridiculous. It being commercial is the whole point, the commercial space race has been proof that the age of big bloated government agencies dominating every aspect of space travel is over. SpaceX doesn't get 0.48% of the US budget every year to only make one rocket every 4 years like NASA with SLS. Scuba 03:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree with GenevieveDEon. This is just a hyped up news story because of SpaceX, and because of a billionaire who is part of the team. What is fundamentally different from this and other spacewalks, which have been done numerous times by NASA or Roscosmos astronauts? We have already posted other "firsts" for commercial spaceflight, but this to me is an insignificant "first". Natg 19 (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Because it isn't being done by NASA or Roscosmos or any governmental agency, it's being done by a private company. Scuba 03:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - This is still a big deal; it really doesn't matter if a billionaire was involved. Inspiration4 was blurbed as it was the first all-civilian spaceflight, I feel like the first ever commercial spacewalk should get the same treatment. qw3rty 17:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - in addition to the big media coverage for the first commercial spacewalk, also of significance is that the earth orbit achieved an altitude of over 1,400 kilometres - breaking the 1,370 km crewed record set in 1966 by Gemini 11/Agena. (of course the moonshot orbits were technically higher, so technically the Apollo missions were further away while trans-lunar or in lunar orbit. There's also been a new record set of 19 people in earth orbit simultaneously (on two space stations, with 5 capsules - Polaris Dawn, Soyuz MS-25, Soyuz MS-26, SpaceX Crew-8, and Shenzhou 18. Arguably, each of these three records should be blurbed. Combining into one seems more than reasonable. Nfitz (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think any of those should be blurbed. They're all just 'mosts' of things we don't normally pay attention to measuring at all. And if we're talking about the achievements of private space flight, one of the things it has done is to raise the number of people currently in Earth orbit by stranding two people on the ISS for six months. I also don't think that an altitude record that arbitrarily excludes the Apollo astronauts is a record at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Apparently also the most people in vacuum at once, per the article. Sandstein 18:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well - other than Columbia, which was in near vacuum when it broke up. :( Nfitz (talk) 05:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment per our article it wasn't a space walk... The cabin was open to space, and both persons stood at the opening but dud not leave the ship. It's a progressive step but not really a full space walk. ETA - those lines in the article have been removed, and given nearly no reliable sources puts doubt about this being a spacewalk that those lines give, then that removes that concern. Masem (t) 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  And yet the couple in the part of the unpressurized Mir station (coming from a pressurized Soyuz after the Progress M-34 collision) are called spacewalks. And what about Apollo 9? Nfitz (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Both of those cases have crew moving between two vessels, even if the distance was short. — Masem (t) 20:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  the crew moved here too. Isaacman stuck himself out the hatch, and then went back in. How is that any different? Scuba 03:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  And yet those are classified as space walks. I don't see the issue here ... he was only touching the tether at points, just like any other space walk outside the space station. But yes, his legs were dandling down into the hatch. I feel this is splitting hairs, and ignores the three other firsts in relation to orbit height, number of people in orbit total, and also the first exposure of 4 people to the vacuum of space at once (assuming the Columbia explosion doesn't count). Nfitz (talk) 05:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  I feel like this is an arbitrary distinction to be made. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per GDE above, especially then finding out that it wasn't actually even a full space walk, per Masem. Slidinghorn (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Billionaire does spacewalk. Nothing incredible. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I don't see what makes a commercial spacewalk so special compared to something like a routine one done at the ISS where they actually leave the spacecraft. Hungry403 (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support It's in the news, unlike the stale stuff that we're currently blurbing. And when reliable and respectable sources such as the NYT describe it as a milestone, that beats the OR/POV above.

As for the spacewalk, our article tells us that this mode is called a "stand-up EVA (SEVA)". Me, I'm more impressed that they've chosen to fly through the Van Allen belt to see how bad the radiation is.

Note also that we have pictures of the crew and so can use and rotate them.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Me, I'm more impressed that they've chosen to fly through the Van Allen belt to see how bad the radiation is. Same here, that seems like an awfully foolish endeavor to put a civilian crew through. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I feel like the teams of thousands of highly qualified engineers and physicists know what they're doing PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

More dangerous: if any of them moved into the ISS for a 6-mo. tour of duty, where they would get about 70 mSv over that period. Or, venturing outside the Earth's protective magnetosphere fully. The Apollo crews which took the full trip "next door" and back, round-tripped through both belts; there are two and I'm not sure but is Polaris just doing the inner belt? Anyway, the Apollo crews got mission doses maxing out a bit over 10 mSv. And, most of that was not the belts, but all the rads our Sun is blasting out everywhere all the time! (Yes I got a headache trying to make sense of those confusing different units. This is why the SI is good, folks.)

Other slightly dangerous pastimes rad-wise (see helpful images here): spending a year in Winnipeg: 4 mSv; a body CT scan: around 6–8 mSv; a coronary angiogram: 12 mSv (yes, more than most Apollo crews); working as an aviation crew member: varies widely and unpredictably, but estimated upper bound at or potentially more than 5 mSv/year. The dose makes the poison. (Fascinatingly, astronauts frequently report perceiving flashes of light caused by cosmic rays crashing through their bodies and triggering them! Mir got hit by a solar storm once and a crew member said the flashes were so bright and numerous they interfered with his sleep!) --Slowking Man (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

All I'm saying is there's a reason the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada, Boeing Winnipeg and the Winnipeg Jets keep to the traditionally "commercial" altitudes they do. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Also come to think of it, public service announcement: make sure you check if your home has radon risk, and have it tested if it is. This is the radiation risk the average person should be most concerned about. (Besides avoiding tobacco) Also make sure to test and replace smoke + CO detectors on schedule! Slowking Man (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Slightly misleading; the Apollo spacecraft was only in a parking orbit around Earth for a brief period of time (aside from Apollo 7 and Apollo 9) as it transited rather quickly through the Van Allen belts, so it wasn't prolonged exposure as a low Earth orbit with a 1,400 kilometer perigee would have been. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - it being the first commercial spacewalk is very different than being the first spacewalk. Posting the former is closer to advertising, the latter an actual first. nableezy - 11:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Andrew, significant milestone that has garnered considerable media attention globally. See sources cited at Extravehicular_activity#By_SpaceX. Majority Oppose votes are POV/OR, essentially, "Wealthy SpaceMan Bad". Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Sadly, this would only have been notable if the spacewalk had gone wrong. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Support - Notable achievement in commercial space flight, as well as other firsts per Nfitz, Rockview13 (talk) 16:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose current blurb Disagree that there is anything particularly notable or groundbreaking about the first "commercialized" spaceflight - do we do a separate post for commercial versus non-commercial "firsts" with any other achievements? IMHO if we did post, what makes it notable is that it achieved a record-high orbit, as per the title of this other NYT article. If we do blurb, that is probably what the blurb should highlight. When the NYT calls it "groundbreaking" or a "record", that is the record they are referring to - the highest orbit ever reached which was not part of a mission to the moon. FlipFlopped ツ 20:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Alt Blurb I think it is a very notable achievement and deserves to be posted, the article's quality is also sufficient. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Though "spacewalk" is kind of sus as one hand never left the ship, feet were on the ladder, and he was never out there floating around like we often see in pictures. As such, if the other crewmembers were also exposed to the vacuum of space didn't they "spacewalk" too? CoatCheck (talk) 22:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  The correct term seems to be Extravehicular activity? ("In space, no one can walk"!) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support for being the first commercial spacewalk, and having major notability. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - A first commerical spacewalk is a very great space first, as before spacewalks were only conducted by space organizations, I think. High Asmiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per GenevieveDEon Ornithoptera (talk) 05:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Indian communist leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait - The 'Books' section of his article is entirely unsourced. Would support once this is fixed. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 11:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Added sources in the "Books" section. Pachu Kannan (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Communist Indian leader (Major figures) (WP:ITNRDBLURB) ~ Spworld2 (talk) 9:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb : Not notable enough to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, not notable like a world leader to warrant a blurb. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• RD only support, not notable enough for a blurb. Sharrdx (talk) 21:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

RD only but only after cn tags have been resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Added more sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 14:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

RD only Lacks notability for a blurb, had no national importance in the executive government Varoon2542

Posted to RD—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Missing exact date of death, announced today; otherwise good article. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks in good enough shape, though could use a bit of expansion (I'll try to do that if I have the time). Kiwichris (talk) 10:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Adequately sourced and overall in good shape. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 11:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Structure looks good enough and no problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Elli: can I get an ITN nomination recognition on my talk page please? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Black Kite (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that; hadn't done much ITN before so forgot about that step. Oh well, more things to learn. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Pull He has been posthumously accused of child sexual abuse. Our article is not complete in its current state. Bremps... 18:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Already scrolled off MainPage on Sept. 14th. --PFHLai (talk) 21:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Entertainer, singer, guitarist from age 5, one of few German-language performers who made it to world star, appearing with Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, to name just a few, recorded 1,500 songs in 13 languages - and still had a poor article. One of the obits says: "don't look at Knowledge (XXG), look at her homepage". - Please look at Knowledge (XXG), and improve what you can improve. Her death became known on 11 September. Listen to her singing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. Records are sourced in the first sentence, took a look myself. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hall of Fame Detroit Lions linebacker and two-time NFL champion. 240F:7A:6253:1:7C78:E248:64B1:15 (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support meets basic ITNC criteria of citations, format, etc. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is okay enough though I am not sure about the bullet points in the Rebuilding section. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  The bullets are a yellow tag, so not a showstopper.—Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Some tagged sourcing issues.—Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like this article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

  No, it's got an unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 23:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: I referenced the DoB. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 23:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Former Peruvian dictator. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready Multiple tags and issues including serious gaps in referencing. This one is going to need some work before it can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support because he was a former head of state who assumed power in a self-coup, and has exceptional notability for RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Per ITNRD, posting is automatic subject only to article quality. The question here is whether or not the article's overall quality meets the customary standards for posting on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think this was in relation to the blurb, given the quality isn't up to scratch Abcmaxx (talk) 06:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on principle I could make a number of connections, but for ITNC, I think that if AF could be improved by the end of this week, it would merit a blurb. Not ready because we need to debate dictatorship, controversy, etc. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Update: nearly there If not for the deletion tag, I think that Fujimori's article is just about ready to go. If necessary, we could drop the death fork of Fujimori and add it when it's caught up. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• support blurb. Former head of state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Almost there -- would support for RD if remaining CN tags were addressed. Weak support for blurb: do we normally post blurbs for any former head of state? If not, would need some convincing. UndercoverClassicist 06:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quality issues have been addressed in terms of sourcing from what I can see. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. We should not be venerating dictators, and his death in itself is not significant, he has been very ill and in prison for a long time and was 86. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  I have no strong opinion on the posting, but I want to make it absolutely clear that posting a blurb to ITN is not 'veneration'. If Vladimir Putin drops dead tomorrow (or at any other time, in fact), I would absolutely !vote for a blurb; I would certainly not regard that !vote, or the subsequent appearance of such a blurb at ITN as 'veneration'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  @GenevieveDEon: But Putin is currently in power and would certainly die suddenly and not as an imprisoned, terminally ill 86 year old man who hasn't had political power for a long time. Huge difference. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Abcmaxx: Right - which is why I would vote for Putin, and I'm not voting either way on Fujimori. But you used the word 'venerating', and I think that's not at all a fair characterisation of what ITN does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

How exactly are ITN blurbs venerating? All the blurbs follow WP:NPOV. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb in principle, with no comment on article quality or sourcing. Alberto Fujimori was, for better or for worse, a major figure in modern Peruvian history. He was a consequential enough figure to merit a blurb. Kurtis 07:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb He was definitely a very notable leader in Latin America who made drastic changes in the politics of his country, so he's certainly more notable than routine leaders that simply adapt to the system as given. The fact his presidency is considered "dictatorship" is irrelevant. There are other "dictators" in the world whose deaths were given a blurb (e.g. Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, Jiang Zemin etc.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  I believe it should at least be acknowledged in the blurb. President for life is not what someone thinks when reading the title "president". Added altblurb2 Abcmaxx (talk) 07:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  I don't know where did you get that information from. He wasn't president for life as his presidency ended in 2000 when he resigned.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah but his actions indicated he sure wanted to be. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Needs work Lots of work. I started today by reading the NYT's account. That read quite well and it was certainly an interesting life. Then I read through our article and it came across as much more unpolished for which "never mind the quality, feel the width" seems appropriate.

Note that the Spanish language article has a much larger readership and seems influential as the leads of the English and Spanish versions are remarkably similar. It's not clear which language is the original and which the translation or whether there's two-way traffic. There's a similar issue with the man himself – whether he was the master of his fate or just a figurehead controlled by others.

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Quality issues have been addressed in terms of sourcing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot more to it than that. What matters is what the article actually says rather than how many footnotes it has. Adding lots of footnotes that no-one reads just adds to the "never mind the quality, feel the width" vibe. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb: An extremely polarising figure that has been made notable around the world. Article does need a lot of work but will support in principle. Tofusaurus (talk) 11:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb This one should be a no-brainer. A former head of state who was a notorious political figure in his region, convicted of human rights abuses and was a consequential political figure in Peru and possibly in his respective continent. Article does need quality work though. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, far too many CNs and unsourced paragraphs throughout. I am glad to see a legacy section which helps towards supporting a blurb though I'm not sure its written in the way to make sure it presents him as, as TDKR Chicago says, "a notorious political figure", and should be retouched to try to strength that approach if we are going to post as a blurb. --Masem (t) 12:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quality issues have been addressed in terms of sourcing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, just looked through and see one "needs context" but that's not a show stopper. Can't easily edit my vote above right now but that's a support for RD, weak support on blurb (don't think we need the separate death article, and like to see that "criticism" section titled something else buy don't know what) — Masem (t) 22:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality per concerns mentioned previously. However, I really think Fujimori is the sort of person worthy of a death blurb at ITN. Impactful and controversial politician that had a heavy hand in shaping modern Peruvian politics and it's discord. The human rights abuse charges obviously stand as the massive events of his tenure as president, as well as the coup that got him in power. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quality issues have been addressed in terms of sourcing from what I can see TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Man has an entire political ideology named after him and was the longtime president of a country. If that doesn't warrant a blurb for an RD than nothing should ever warrant a blurb for an RD. Scuba 16:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb I would say that alternative blurb 2 should be posted Egg470 (talk) 16:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Using loaded terms is not for articles, let alone the main page.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Head of state of 30 million people for a full decade. Judicial issues about his presidency lasted for the rest of his life, so he hardly died quietly and remotely. See Fujimorism for how many parties claim his ideology or have had it attributed to them. Comments about whether his rule was democratic or pleasant are neither here nor there. Nobody can doubt that Putin and Assad have influenced the 21st century, for what many people would say was for the worse. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• A Life Story As with the voice of Darth Vader, the body of Darth Vader or Big Van Vader himself, these are also past accomplishments. When most people think of "news", they think "current events". What's recently happened to Fujimori (the blurb you're voting on) is what happens to all of us, sooner or later. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's why ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news, not about featuring the news. That a (likely) great figure died, as reported in the news, and we have an article that is nearly there for quality and demonstrating the great figure-Ness, is exactly the reason to post. It just still has some quality issues to resolve first — Masem (t) 20:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  By the time this article's quality is even good enough to post, it won't be much in the news anymore. Then there's the two weeks or so it'll sit even staler on the Main Page after most editors figure there's no reason to improve it beyond passable. It might make his fandom happy for a day. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  The article appears to be well sourced now. With a quick look, there's no orange tags or cn tags/unsourced statements from what I can see. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  As a nonfan (nor love-to-hater), that's happiness enough for one day for me; still can't support blurbing it on account of the two weeks or so it'll seem staler later; I'll Support Normal or Photo RD, though, on your word. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Whatever you said, it doesn't sway me. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb He's a household name. Even in my native Mauritius, everybody knows who he is. His rule has left quite a mark
• Support blurb article seems ready. A democratically elected president, who becomes dictator after a self-coup, who is overthrown by Congress, is exiled in the country of his parents' origin, is convicted of crimes against humanity, is the patriarch of a nysaga of politicians and his pardon brings a lot of controversy is, without a doubt, a perfect candidate for his death to have blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb A notorious former president of a country. ArionStar (talk) 03:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb, if consensus on quality now exists. But not the alt blurbs: the "Death of..." article isn't fit for the main page. Moscow Mule (talk) 06:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Death of Alberto Fujimori is open. —Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Consensus is clearlu on the side of keeping it. It should be closed now as the article has been greatly expanded since my first comment on the discussion.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The AfD boat has sailed, but don't go calling main-page attention to the article. Not when it contains gibberish like ut the former President of Colombia Álvaro Uribe Vélez, expresses his condolences, adding to this said that "Fujimori recover to Peru". Moscow Mule (talk) 18:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. No opinion on AfD or whether the death article should be linked or not. Natg 19 (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Moscow Mule: Consensus can change in the blink of an eye, especially for contentious subject matter such as the death of an influential world leader. Kurtis 04:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt blurb 2, notable world leader that has left a quite a mark on Peru's history. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb 2 He had many human rights violations including sterilizing Indigenous women. TenorTwelve (talk) 08:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt 2 A quiet notable former head of state and the article is good enough to be posted. Alt blurb 2 because he was convicted of the human rights violation. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The main target article look good to go, and the second alt blurb perfectly describes Fujimori. However, the "Death of Alberto Fujimori" article has been nominated for deletion. I would like to see that resolved first. Vida0007 (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted with Alt2, but with the main article bolded as the "Death of" article is still under AfD. Black Kite (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: will add the image as soon as it is protected at Commons. Black Kite (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Krinklebot was speedy. Done. Black Kite (talk) 21:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Dictator is a very loaded term to put on the main page as if this is a tabloid instead of an encyclopaedia. He was the president of peru.2A00:F3C:A282:0:E87A:BB26:4B74:D952 (talk) 02:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

"Dictator" was removed per an WP:ERRORS discussion. Feel free to discuss a more nuanced wording, if relevant. —Bagumba (talk) 05:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Senate chamber stormed; constitutional amendments criticized by HRW, etc., passed. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait — I expected this to appear here. This is not law yet; a majority of state legislatures need to approve it. However, it will very likely pass. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

True on both counts. But the Senate was the major hurdle to overcome: the ruling coalition controls 27 (?) of the state congresses, so it's just a matter of time. And the storming of the Senate chamber is big news this morning, although its treatment in our articles is somewhat cursory. (Not going to be that guy who replies to every comment, I promise.) Moscow Mule (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for final passage but agree this is a major change in Mexico's govt particularly on the corruption angle. Masem (t) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• Needs work There's repeated reference to amparo as an issue but this Spanish word and concept is not explained. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Congrats to Mexico getting rid of it's independent judiciary, I look forward to seeing the backlash to their one-party state with an unchecked executive. Scu ba (talk) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

The personalized commentary is unnecessary. The Kip 06:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - it's a long way from ratification. Rather wonky isn't it? Nfitz (talk) 02:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per above - we don't post things prematurely, but it's objective a massive moment in Mexican politics. The Senate storming/protest received fairly widespread attention as well. The Kip 06:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until passed into law. UndercoverClassicist 06:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until ratification. As Nfitz points out, it's still a long way from there. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 11:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Update: 18 of 32 states have ratified and the plan is to enact it on 15 Sept. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  So we should update the hook then. Also, I'd specify at least a direction of changes, even Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, better. Senate storming is stale news now anyway, and its exposition here never got much further than cursory. But I'd link it as _federal judiciary_ in the alt blurb. Moscow Mule (talk) 06:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok, fixed that Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Quiet a big event that will have major effect on the country. The article's quality is sufficient. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Support: Has been signed into law and is a major constitutional reform that will have massive effects in Mexican politics. EchoLuminary (talk) 01:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Call-back: As EchoLuminary says, signed into law on Sunday afternoon. Could those who said "wait" earlier in the week (my fault for jumping the gun: I thought the Senate storming was going to be bigger news) take another look now that it's all come to pass? Moscow Mule (talk) 16:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Major change in the nation's legal system, and first all-elected judiciary in the world. This is notable enough for posting. Bremps... 05:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Support alt per above. Article looks good and the popular vote part is quite important. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: needs a resolution. Natg 19 (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted the alt blurb under 15 September, the day the bill was signed into law. Schwede66 08:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Died this morning, and article looks reasonable enough. Very little info on his death seems to be available right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Support meets bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R. The article isn't in the best shape though and could use some serious work. Just putting it in ITN to get editor's attention to the article. Scuba 13:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as the nominator said, article needs a bit work as there are now two orange tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 16:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Missing information and needs update tags. Bremps... 18:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Senator from Tennessee Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose A big part of the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Voice of Sailor Jupiter, announced today. Page biography is sourced, but filmography will need to be sourced. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per the usual reason. Filmography is the only thing holding this back, though - rest looks good. The Kip 06:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The missing citations have been added and the article structure looks good enough. Great work. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is good to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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One of the people who made the the Peaceful Revolution in East Germany possible, said the German President. Don't miss the video in the source that shows some key events. - The article was mostly there but too many things were translated that were clearer in German, refs were lost, others needed expansions including finding their titles, - plenty of work, took some time. We added publications, more awards, more obits. Still room for more detail if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment I like people, who have done so much for peace. Grimes2 (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks alright to me. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Tofusaurus (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Quite a few sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose needs a bit of work in the sourcing department. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: English singer, member of G4. Article looks adequate. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 15:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Support: article looks OK; Metro isn't a great source for notability/news coverage but also reported in Telegraph, the Independent and RTE. UndercoverClassicist 16:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait Early life section needs more sources otherwise the article meets bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Support @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like the article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Former first baseman for the New York Mets. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C33:5504:7A1B:88BA (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose several paragraphs are lacking any sort of citation. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short, but good enough. Grimes2 (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready: Biography has no citation for her birth date or location. Ideally there should be an early life section. Flibirigit (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Flibirigit: This information was not there when I nominated this article. I've removed any unsourced information as I myself did research to find a reliable source to confirm birthplace and birth date to no avail. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Death date properly marked as "circa" since exact date not specified.—Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Both articles are GAs, and US Open wins (men's and women's posted together) are covered by ITNR. Not sure how to do it with two pictures -- I assume in practice we would alternate them? UndercoverClassicist 06:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• In practice, both images will be combined into one, and the combined one will be used. – robertsky (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article for this news story and the ITN/R candodate is not the bios of the winners, but the tournament article 2024 US Open (tennis). And this is not remotely up to scratch. No prose summaries of the events at all.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Obviously we should do more work on the U.S. Open article itself, but the fact that we have not one but both of the winners' articles at GA status means I'd love if we could find a way to highlight them as well. DecafPotato (talk) 09:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the WP:ITNR item is the event 2024 US Open (tennis), and that article is nowhere near WP:ITNQUALITY. It needs a substantial amount of prose added to it before meeting ITNQUALITY. The 2 player articles have only a few sentences about this tournament, and so should not be used as the bold links in order to circumnavigate the inadequacy of the 2024 US Open (tennis) article, and the player articles are not ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  I must admit, this line of argument seems overly procedural to me -- yes, a nomination for the US Open article would have quality issues, but running the the players' articles gives us the chance update ITN with an unquestionably noteworthy event and to direct readers to two of our better articles. I don't see any guidance in WP:ITNR as to precisely which article needs to be nominated: as I read it, it's the event that has consensus to be posted, not a specific article. UndercoverClassicist 10:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  No it isn't "overly procedural". The ITNR is for showcasing the event 2024 US Open (tennis), and putting 2 articles about people that have around 1 paragraph about that event doesn't achieve this. WP:ITNR lists the event as recurring, so the event article needs to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. The solution to avoid any more discussion would be to fix the event article, because like almost all tennis articles nominated here, it has zero prose text about the events. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITNSPORTS reads Generally, the specific event article for that year/time period is the target article in the blurb ... —Bagumba (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose lead article(s) listed in the nomination are wrong as mentioned above. The tournament is the INTR item and not the winners. The main tournament article is no way near ready to be posted. There are all tables and scores but very little prose. I would suggest the nominator to check out the 2024 French Open and 2024 Wimbledon Championships articles (the two grand slams that were posted) to see what kind of improvements this article needs. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the US open article has very little prose. Fails to met the WP:ITNQUALITY. Also, since there has no work done on the article since it's nomination, I don't think it will get in shape to be posted. LiamKorda 09:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Unfortunately, article is pretty barebones. The event is ITN/R but hasn't actually been posted since 2020, which is the last time we had a high-quality US Open article. I don't think it's a good idea to remove it from ITN/R, as it's a Grand Slam so by definition it's one of the four biggest tennis events of the calendar year. Agree with PrinceofPunjab above that using other Grand Slam articles as a template could help get future US Open articles up to snuff. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  If there has been multiple years in a row of no attempt to get the ITNR article up to quality, it is completely fair to nominate it for removal from ITNR, but that should be done on the talk page. (It would be different if there was a true attempt falling short due to timing, but that's just not happened). — Masem (t) 00:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  Ironically was posted in 2021 with a bold link to the player only, a non-ITNR blurb highlighting a Brit's achievement.—Bagumba (talk) 05:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Norwegian actress. Seems sufficiently cited, except for filmography section (which needs citations). Oceanh (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:FILMCAST, a citation isn't required (though there's nothing stopping us providing one) as long as the role is credited. UndercoverClassicist 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

They do, but FILMCAST applies to film-related articles, not exclusively articles about films (an article on a film actor qualifies as "film-related", in my view, under any reasonable reading). The BLP sourcing standards in question are that any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be sourced. Putting those together, a citation would of course be welcome in any case, and required if there was a reasonable chance that someone would dispute whether she held a particular role. UndercoverClassicist 16:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't see where it says a citation is not required. Can you quote the excerpt? —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

For uncredited roles, a citation should be provided in accordance with Knowledge (XXG)'s verifiability policy. This is a case where the exception proves the rule -- by specifying that uncredited roles need a citation, it follows that credited roles do not (necessarily) require one. It's also covered by WP:PRIMARY, which has a primary source may only be used on Knowledge (XXG) to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge: if a credit to the person is visible when watching the film, the film itself is a sufficient citation for the statement that they held a credited role, unless there is good reason to require further (dis)proof. UndercoverClassicist 10:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

So, the essence in what you are saying, is that citing the film itself (say, a dvd, or an online version) is sufficient for a credited role. But if there are no citations at all, we can not know whether the information is just taken from an «unreliable» source, such as another wiki or imdb. Oceanh (talk) 11:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose that would be a good way to do it, and within the spirit of WP:PRIMARY. Not required doesn't mean that it's required not to be included. UndercoverClassicist 13:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The storm made historic landfall, the death toll continued to rise, and the article is in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article looks good and I feel like with 30 deaths, it should definitely be mentioned on the main page, IMO. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Much better. The article structure is good and the death and damages are notable enough for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major storm. Looks ready to post. Thriley (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support both on quality and significance - compared to the last typhoon at ITN, this has a much wider spread of damage. --Masem (t) 03:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Is this the same as the below Typhoon Yagi nomination? Can the other one be closed? Natg 19 (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment: Uh oh. Yes it is the same exact one. What now? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes it is, and it was clear there was consensus to wait to see if there were more impacts from further landfalls. This one is more appropriate to keep in terms of the date of nomination since this is post-impact. Masem (t) 04:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per previous vote to wait until the story develops -- it now has. UndercoverClassicist 09:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Its a current weather event, so it should be recent. Sources are reliable and the context is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Support as Yagi is absolutely notable enough to be in ITN. Shouldn't this be closed now? OhHaiMark (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting Support - as I didn't support it last week, but now it's reeked some serious damage and death on north Vietnam, it's significant. Nfitz (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R Scu ba (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nominator, the article looks OK. Trepang2 (talk) 04:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support seems fine MAL MALDIVE (talk) 04:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait the lede of the election article needs to be expanded as it is about only 10 words as of now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nominator, and as the creator. It does look OK to me. — Sundostund mppria 14:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: The main story seems to be the feud pitting all the candidates against the electoral authority over voter turnout (announced as an "average" of 48%, but calculated as less than a quarter of registered voters). Perhaps it would be wise to wait until there is agreement on turnout... -- SashiRolls 14:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Checks results; 95% of the vote. Sounds very legitimate lol, but that doesn't affect notability. ITN/R, let's post but I think we should also consider adding something in the blurb about the fraudulent nature of the election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment @PrecariousWorlds: I stand by to my support vote, but I do agree with you that some note about the (fraudulent) nature of the election should be considered. — Sundostund mppria 17:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment added a new altblurb about the election not exactly being free and fair. Scu ba (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment @Scu ba: This is obviously an improvement, but consider using stronger language and label the election as "so-called" or "fraudulent". — Sundostund mppria 19:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  We didn't do that for the Russian election, why would we do it for the Algerian election? Scu ba (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

There was a very long discussion as to not try and accidentally convey that the Russian election was anything more than a sham from what I remember. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: I think "which the opposition boycotted" is sufficient for the reader to join the necessary dots, and is nicely factual and verifiable, whereas "the election was fraudulent" is much trickier. UndercoverClassicist 06:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, fraud is a crime and labelling something fraudulent requires a legal process usually (as would e.g. murder or theft); given this is a de facto dictatorship we may never get any closure ever even if the regime falls as to how fraudulent or not this election is. At the same time I have long argued not to mislead by suggesting equivalency between fair and sham elections. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I would say that an "election" like this, where even the winner complains about irregularities alongside opposition candidates, should be subjected to stronger language than what is usual. — Sundostund mppria 10:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It seems to have been a shambles with even the winner querying the bizarre variation in the figures. And the formal result is under appeal. Presenting this as a legitimate and respectable election is misinformation. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson: I think we all agree that we categorically should not present this as a legitimate and respectable election; the question is how do we present it? Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

  I looked at the BBC site to see how they presented the result and it doesn't appear that they have done so yet. So, that's a good clue that we should wait on further coverage rather than rushing to judgement. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb - article is fine quality-wise. On the fraudulent nature, ALT1 uses the "declared the winner" language I personally prefer for questionable elections, while "which the opposition boycotted" sends the whole point home. The Kip 06:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb article looks good enough and altblurb is more accurate. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment One-sentence lead is too short, esp. when there is controversy.—Bagumba (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: I expanded the lead. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 2 It looks like the article’s good enough now. The disputed turnout seems to be the most notable aspect of this election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like the article’s good enough now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted ALT2. Schwede66 23:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Former Clemson wide receiver. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Support the article seems fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support It looks like the article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thriley (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Too short at the moment. The article needs some expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the awards section lacks citations. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Ready to go. All cn tags now sorted and all statements have citations. Vladimir.copic (talk) 01:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support It looks like the article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Grammy Awards seem to be sourced in the prose. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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German visual artist. Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support, detailed and referenced --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support looks sufficiently cited and detailed, I've also fixed a few references and added wikilinks. Aydoh8 02:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Ready the article appears ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Just readied a bunch of unready stuff and noticed a new CN tag (with room for more yet), but it's seemingly good enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Not by me, just for the record. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Scottish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Several uncited statements, have added cn tags. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose due to outstanding CN tags. Aydoh8 02:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange and cn tags needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support looks good 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article has enough length and sources for posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: article is generally in good shape, perhaps some very minor POV in places but nothing serious. UndercoverClassicist 17:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. No problems found. The structure looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not quite ready. No problem with the length. However, there are several sections that are unsourced. Changing to Support. Well done and Cheers! 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've added citations for the flagged passages. RegalZ8790 (talk) 21:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support no apparent issues left, looks good enough now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• I've had to place to citation needed tags. In addition, what's referenced in the prose is that he was born in West Virginia, whilst the infobox gives a specific place. Schwede66 01:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've added or improved citations for the flagged passages. RegalZ8790 (talk) 05:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66, I've expanded the prose and added an image. RegalZ8790 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  Nah, that won’t do. Ancestry.com is a user-generated database and therefore not a reliable source. If there aren’t reliable sources that can confirm those details, I suggest that this needs to be referenced for 1925 and West Virginia, assuming that those sources exist, RegalZ8790. Schwede66 16:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66, please consult the new citation, an article published by the United States Auto Club announcing Goldsmith's death. Please let me know what else, in specific, remains to be done in order for this article to garner your support. I am concerned about the time we have left remaining. Thank you for your input. RegalZ8790 (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 04:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support once ready: A front-figure of bossa nova and one of the most famous Brazilian musicians of all time, together with Antônio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes. The article still needs a lot of sources, though, and I'm afraid I won't be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Oltrepier: notability isn't a factor in RD nominations, as having an article is proof of notability in itself Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, article has sourcing maintenance tag, citation needed tags and several unsourced paragraphs. Suonii180 (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose orange tag, unsourced awards section and only 8 references for a bit long article. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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English bass guitarist and member of T. Rex. 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: played bass on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and on David Essex's "Rock On". By the end of the 1970s, Flowers had played bass on an estimated 500 hit recordings. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose has four CN tags. Aydoh8 02:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Tags addressed. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Aydo, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Solo discography section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Sources now added, some commercial. Perennial musician RD question: do all items need a separate source, even those which' already have their own article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to Support now. And to answer your question, yes every single item/song needs a reference, not necessarily a unique one, a single source can be cited for multiple entries too. Even the entries with their own articles needs a reference because sometimes that article do not mention the connection with the subject and therefore, they need to be verified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 18:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  So will the AllMusic source suffice for all the Collaborations? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited. Thriley (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now six days since he died? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, detailed and (now) well referenced. One user above wrote that they changed to support but didn't strike the oppose, - I did that now for clarity at a glance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
  • This was ready two days ago? It's not even marked as "Ready" yet? Last day tomorrow before it falls off, without even getting on. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
  • 12 hours left now, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

    Maryvonne Le Dizès was posted in the last hour. If that doesn't happen, you can argue tomorrow that it was marked ready. I've seen that as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

    6 hours left now? Yes, that may be a consolation. It's just a bit demotivating. At least people haven't spent days arguing over whether or not deserves a blurb... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support seems sufficiently cited. Aydoh8 12:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: have made a few small edits for NPOV. UndercoverClassicist 13:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 01:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose There are several cleanup tags in the article. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose most of the info on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Just one CN and it's not something especially controversial. Overall article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- CN tag seems to be fixed now. UndercoverClassicist 06:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RIP, article looks good. 139.164.154.33 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. Mooonswimmer 12:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

UndercoverClassicist 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good! His article is a little bit short but I'm sure it will get longer as he fulfills his role as France's new Prime Minister. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is good but could probably do with some more content given his lengthy career before today. Appointment of the head of government of a P5 member is highly notable. AusLondonder (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article is missing many citations, such as in the National politics section and Honours & Decorations sections. Also, the article contains no information on Barnier's actions between the 2022 French presidential election and being appointed PM. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've sorted the National politics section; working on the decorations at the moment. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot written on his activities between 2022 and today, at least going by what I can find on frWiki and French sources, so we can't include much per WP:DUEWEIGHT -- unless you have some sources I haven't seen? UndercoverClassicist 16:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Knowledge (XXG) has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principal, but not impressed with article quality. It's pretty thin for such a major figure and referencing has some gaps. Nothing on his personal life and I can't even figure out what his politics are. Oppose pending article improvement. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support. Article is much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The prime minister doesn’t administer the executive power in France, and this is the fourth person to be appointed to that position in four years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess.  Bait30   04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Knowledge (XXG) is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. . The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21: Le Premier ministre dirige l'action du Gouvernement. Il est responsable de la défense nationale. Il assure l'exécution des lois. Sous réserve des dispositions de l'article 13, il exerce le pouvoir réglementaire et nomme aux emplois civils et militaires. The correction of the error mentioned above makes the appointment of a French PM automatic by virtue of Knowledge (XXG):ITNELECTIONS.-- SashiRolls 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support (which should go without saying). Head of government and directs the actions of the government, which determines and conduct the policy of the Nation. Nfitz (talk) 03:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This seems very like the case of Speaker Johnson – someone appointed to get the budget through a hung parliament by hook or by crook. But that got shouted down while this gets more support. It's puzzling. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski above. I struggle to see if there is something extraordinary about this appointment compared to any other appointment. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose appointed positions are neither democratic or notable in principal, there is nothing special about this appointment to warrant inclusion as a blurb. additionally, the linked article Prime Minister of France is orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  And what exactly makes this appointment newsworthy/extraordinary compared to any other appointment? 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I still struggle to see any extraordinary reasons for this to be posted and as kcmastrpc pointed out, prime minister of France is still orange tagged.

Furthermore, please refrain from continuing attempting to poison the well, as the amount of contributions anyone have has little to do with the validity of their arguments and doesn't help your case. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

My IP is not static. Let's end our discussion on this page here since we're going dangerously off-topic.31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Nominate the Protests? These seem more "impactful" and less "stale"; the same blurb would necessarily mention the new PM. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
  • This makes the most sense to me. —Cryptic 01:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Why not just add a bit to the current blurb?

ALT 1: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron leading La France Insoumise to organize protests.-- SashiRolls 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Fine with me... -- SashiRolls 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Important country, important event. People will be turning to the Knowledge (XXG) article for information. Like the role of president and prime minister, which differs from every other country I can think of. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Independent of the actual power of the PM, it's worth noting the situation here. French politics have increasingly heated lately, new elections were called, and Macron's recently appointed PM resigned within a year. Meanwhile, he goes with a different sort of pick here, but not without some backlash by the public. Again, this is discounting the actual power of the French PM, which seems to be understated in this discussion. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose His predecessor's item was pulled from the ITN section, so I don't see why this should be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

His predecessor's item was posted. It was later pulled due to a lack of consensus over the blurb language (inclusion or not of his status as the first openly gay PM). The case was different too, of course, because it was not a situation of cohabitation (in which the President's primacy over the executive is lost to the PM). You supported posting Attal, but do not support posting Barnier. I'm confused as to why when the PM is exercising executive power you oppose, but when the PM was only administering the President's will you supported. -- SashiRolls 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@SashiRolls, when I posted the support vote at the item, it was my only 15th edit to ITN/C page and was still learning the entire process. Since that time I've made more than 600 edits and I would have opposed that nomination now. Now, why I supported that nomination was because of his sexuality (shouldn't have). My Opposition now has more to do to with the power of the PM. Also, considering the political atmosphere right now, we may see such nominee in the near future again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per SashiRolls. FlipFlopped ツ 22:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. - SchroCat (talk) 22:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted ALT2. Schwede66 00:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb With a hung parliament, he'll probably not be prime minister for long. The prime minister is nominated and isn't necessarily a prime politician. As far as protests are concerned, I live in the Paris region and one could hardly notice anything. Only left supporters are protesting, a far cry from nationwide protests. Varoon2542

Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment would this merit a blurb? She was a very renowned sportsperson around the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Abcmaxx As much as I'd like that possibility, I don't think so...

  Unlike Kelvin Kiptum's case, Cheptegei didn't have many notable achievements, aside of her victory at the 2021 WMTR Championships and her recent participation at the Olympics, and so most people would rather get to know her because of this extremely appalling event. Oltrepier (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now - the Sporting career section is very under-referenced at the moment. As above, probably not quite blurb level but worth noting that media around the world such as the NY Times and Guardian have it on their front pages. Such a really tragic story.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment We've had two tragic deaths of notable sports individuals in the past week or so where editors seemed to have missed the WP:SPIRIT of WP:ITNRDBLURB and I'd encourage editors to really introspect on whether or not suppressing blurbs for these individuals is beneficial to our readers. ITN is pretty stale right now too, fwiw. Quality issues aside with this article, obviously, I Support blurb once usual citation issues are cleared up. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yea, I know, I think there's a semi-related discussion on Talk where I can continue my diatribe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Substantial improvements in sourcing, the articlce's quality is good. Pinging updater @ElleAnónime:. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- I've done some work on the article's prose; it would still benefit from more polish (I'm not convinced that we need all those race results), but I think it's over the line for what we need here. All remaining uncited material is gone and I've added some important facts from a recent World Athletics obituary. UndercoverClassicist 21:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Picture Another candidate for an RD picture and it's a good one. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• The article is of good quality. Kcmastrpc makes a good argument for a blurb, and I am convinced this is blurb-worthy given the tragic nature of her death as noted by WP:ITNRDBLURB. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Commnet: I just wanted to thank everyone who took the time to improve and add sources to the article: it looks much better than it did when I first nominated it, and I think that's a good way to pay respect to Cheptegei. Oltrepier (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: looks ready for RD. Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Support looks ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Not ready Nowhere in the prose does it say that he's died. Schwede66 00:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: this looks reasy to post. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support good quality article, well referenced Chaiten1 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support seems fine to me but a infobox would be nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• I'd like to see some structure; article needs more headings. Once that's done, it might also become more obvious that the lead is insufficient. Schwede66 00:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like this has enough structure, details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Multiple citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 18:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags and a performance timeline would look nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 18:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose majority of this article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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Former coach for the Rice Owls. 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose needs a lot of referencing work, especially for the coaching section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Refs and some additional added. Spencer 06:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is in a good enough shape now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• I've placed two citation needed tags; there are awards listed in the infobox that don't appear to be in the body. Schwede66 00:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: I found references for those awards. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Four Olympic medals, two Stanley Cups. 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready Overall short but adequate excepting the medals table which needs to be sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede66 23:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support meets the bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Former quarterback for the Denver Broncos. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose orange tag in the Professional career section needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Canadian-born American sculptor and contributor to the feminist movement. Article in good shape. Jmanlucas (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support I don’t see any glaring issues with the article. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Support good quality article. Chaiten1 (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost there One CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  It is not there anymore so I assume it has been fixed. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- seems a good article. UndercoverClassicist 10:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 3 Cn tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 12:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait three cn tags are still there. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 11:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support @Admins willing to post ITN: This has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: Breaking news, global reach, just started article, help with expanding greatly appreciated. Given DR Congo is very under-reported, any good sources are vital. Significant tragedy, please don't comment on article quality until the article expands and has time to do so. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Would support on significance. AusLondonder (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, but would support with an alternate blurb and expanded article. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Still oppose, the article has expanded and is better quality, but there just isn’t much about the actual riot. Personisinsterest (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Support Alt2 needs to break free of the stub status before posting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional Support Needs expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability but we should wait till article is expanded a bit. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. The Kip 18:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article says that "Jailbreaks are common in the DRC" and no-one escaped in this case so it seems quite minor compared to the great escape in 2017 which we don't seem to have an article for. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  The death count is the significant part. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  This is an argument to create the missing 2017 Makala prison jailbreak surely. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability—With no comment on article quality (though my support is contingent upon it being sufficiently sourced and well-written in principle). 129 people getting killed in a single event is a major news event worthy of a blurb on the main page. My preference is for alt. blurb 2, but maybe with the "and dozens injured" line from alt1 added in for good measure. Kurtis 02:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability due to at least 129 people being killed, with alt2 as my preference. However, the article needs to be expanded before posting. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The article is no longer a stub now, and looks long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability - but I think that there needs to be an article at Makala Central Prison, not just a red link. Nfitz (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional Support. Article needs a bit more work, but this is notable due to the high number of deaths. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Update thank you all for your help, shout out in particular to @Gödel2200: for expanding, article in much better shape now. Expanded majorly, but there is whole host of very good references if anyone believes it should be expanded further. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose ITN doesn't regularly post these kind of events, even with somewhat high deathcounts. Four recent examples from a very quick search of ITN archives are the Mahara prison riot, the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots, the Tuluá prison riot, and the September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot (which even had a similar death count of 123). The point is that prison riots or escapes are generally not notable, unless they were caused by something significant occurring outside the prison. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The Mahara prison riot and Tuluá prison riot noms were not posted only due to quality issues (meaning there was not consensus against notability). For the other two mentioned examples (the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots and September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot), it does not seem that they were even nominated, which means there was not consensus against posting. In fact, prison riots do get featured on ITN. See for example this one, which was from June 2023. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• @AusLondonder, Gödel2200, Personisinsterest, Nfitz, Midori No Sora, Kurtis, The Kip, PrinceofPunjab, Ad Orientem, and Kcmastrpc: any comment on quality now that the article has been expanded? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  Shouldn't there, User:Abcmaxx be an article - however brief, for the prison - Makala Central Prison? Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  If it bothers you, Nfitz, why not just write it? It took me less than 15 minutes... Schwede66 00:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  I haven't had time, User:Schwede. Though more to the point though, I don't really have the interest in the subject. Perhaps we should also WP:RGA and have the reviewers just fix the articles? 13:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted The issue for many opposers was that the article was too short or stubby. As that's been resolved, this was now good to go. Schwede66 00:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support past-tensed the article a bit, looks well-sourced otherwise. The Kip 08:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. The article was already in decent shape considering that he was the runner-up in the 2022 Colombian presidential election. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

 Happily888 (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Needs work entire lead section is uncited. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose a orange tag, multiple cn tags, unsourced discography and filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Much of the career section is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange-tagged. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose orange tag needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 1 September. Thriley (talk) 03:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. While its decently sourced, the article is a stub and needs expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support while I would love to see an expansion, I think the article is just about alright. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Short, needs a few sentences on his youth to at least be semi-comprehensive, which is readily available in obits like this from NYT.—Bagumba (talk) 12:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support @Admins willing to post ITN: This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – the expansion earlier today should address the opposes above. Schwede66 23:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN. Article could use an aftermath section though. Scu ba (talk) 14:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Added altblurb. "Ilham Aliyev's (pictured)" is odd wording. Natg 19 (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is in a poor state and also, aren't these elections kind of the sham ones. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't change the fact all national elections are ITNR. Scu ba (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• I find nothing wrong with posting "sham" elections, but oppose, as the article needs to be improved before it can be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Sham election aside, the article is dreadfully lacking content. The Kip 06:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Support - Shocking election result, never saw it coming. Jokes aside it's ITNR and article is improving PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb and altblurb, added altblurb2 I think the word "wins" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in a dictatorship and such a doubtless sham election, to whitewash or omit this distinction would be misleading. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2. Article isn't going to pass GAN any time soon, but it is fully referenced to what appear to be good sources, and gets the key information across -- no obvious deficiencies that should hold it back from the main page, especially given the ITNR nature of the event. UndercoverClassicist 21:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT 2 The Article is somewhat short at 2691 characters, but is well cited. Thriley (talk) 21:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT 2 Adding !vote just to add more noise. Article is in minimum shape but is ready and I support Alt2 per Abcmaxx. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Support ALT 2 Reliable sources, and many presidential elections have previously been on MP. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

 Happily888 (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is too short and unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 09:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is a stub, needs more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

240F:7A:6253:1:7969:2ABE:E6E3:A515 (talk) 02:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. A "needs update" tag has to be resolved first but apart from that, the article seems okay to me. Full support as the issue is resolved. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  Resolved. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support The period between 1967 and 2014 is no longer misremembered as 50 years; seems OK now. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ 17:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)